DISH Reaches Long Term Agreement with DISNEY / ESPN / ABC

[clownin72]

Don't worry about that UT/OU game. There's nothing to see there until Mack Brown removes himself! OU will mud hole us once again.

 

[loubon]

The Jets are playing Monday night so Dish should pull the plug on that even if an agreement is reached.

 

[BobMurdoch]

All negotiations are a game.

He was doing a callback to Boehner's snappy retort earlier in the day.....

 

[Yespage]

He was doing a callback to Boehner's snappy retort earlier in the day.....

I think for everybody's sake, we should just pretend that ESPN is represented by James Cagney and Dish is represented by Henry Fonda in Mister Roberts.

 

[KAB]

I think for everybody's sake, we should just pretend that ESPN is represented by James Cagney and Dish is represented by Henry Fonda in Mister Roberts.

More The Caine Mutiny. ESPN/ABC want all the strawberries!


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[MIHotBear]

Of course I do. And thank you for talking down to me.

If you really want to see what it is like being talked down to, hang out in the Pit for 30 seconds or less. I have never seen a bigger group of self appointed experts of nothing.

 

[gadgtfreek]

If you really want to see what it is like being talked down to, hang out in the Pit for 30 seconds or less. I have never seen a bigger group of self appointed experts of nothing.

 

[mike123abc]

Does anyone know how these contract talks are held? Is this something that is done face to face..... or is it handled another way? Are these talks being held in LA or someother location....... just curious how these sort of contract discussiosn are normally handled?

Thanks

I suspect that it is mostly done with emails and phone calls. The contracts are probably in MS word with a markup and change history. Each side keeps marking up and making comments about different sections and they send these markups back and forth as they work out the details in each section of the contract. Given the number of channels I would not be surprised if the contract was several hundred pages. Each sentence is scrutinized by each side. The contract was probably originated by Disney as their "standard" licensing contract.

Essentially it just keeps going back and forth between the lawyers until it comes down to just a few points of contention, then these points are individually negotiated, by executives on each side, and if a general agreement is reached on a point then the lawyers start going back and forth with the language to reflect what each side believes was agreed to until they agree on the language of that point.

This is why it can take a very long time to come up with a contract.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Well I think my head beat my gut in this round... but the good news is the channels are still on DISH. And as long as the channels are on DISH I will consider that a positive sign.

 

[mike123abc]

Well I think my head beat my gut in this round... but the good news is the channels are still on DISH. And as long as the channels are on DISH I will consider that a positive sign.

I think they will stay on Dish as long as Disney and Dish keep resolving differences. Eventually it will come down to just a few things and that will be when the knives come out if one side does not think they will ever win or get a good compromise on their issues.

 

[dalyew]

Do tell. How does the PAC12 Network look?

It could be PAC1 OR PAC100, their absence doesn't affect me.....I have zero interest in College Football.

I know Directv will be increasing their rates next year but my first year direct savings with them is just over $400 in the first year and around $150 in the second, and that's not counting the $200 visa card they sent me to cover the $140 Dish cancellation penalty and the other freebies like Sunday Ticket and 6 to 12 months of free premiums. I think these savings will more than offset the increases to come.

People, I'm no shill for Direct, just a customer that's looking to pay a fair value for a decent service. I think all of their days are numbered & look forward to the day I can find a reasonable way to cut the cord. I admire Dish for trying but I found their company policies towards their customers not very endearing and conducive to encourage loyalty. Direct may not pan out to be the long valuable service provider I'm looking for but so far they've made a good start. Being a huge sports fan, I probably did make the wrong satellite provider choice in going to Dish from the start as I now see Direct's emphasis on it's sports coverage and definitely like it.

Maybe it really is not a bad idea for Dish to just drop ESPN and try to be that economy value provider, as I agree, sports is getting ridiculously expensive and fans like me are not helping.

 

[bellevuecoug]

It could be PAC1 OR PAC100, their absence doesn't affect me.....I have zero interest in College Football.

Good for you.

I know Directv will be increasing their rates next year but my first year direct savings with them is just over $400 in the first year and around $150 in the second, and that's not counting the $200 visa card they sent me to cover the $140 Dish cancellation penalty and the other freebies like Sunday Ticket and 6 to 12 months of free premiums. I think these savings will more than offset the increases to come.

People, I'm no shill for Direct, just a customer that's looking to pay a fair value for a decent service. I think all of their days are numbered & look forward to the day I can find a reasonable way to cut the cord. I admire Dish for trying but I found their company policies towards their customers not very endearing and conducive to encourage loyalty. Direct may not pan out to be the long valuable service provider I'm looking for but so far they've made a good start. Being a huge sports fan, I probably did make the wrong satellite provider choice in going to Dish from the start as I now see Direct's emphasis on it's sports coverage and definitely like it.

*yawn* Thanks for sharing your Direct experience on a DISH ESPN THREAD.

 

[Gobucks]

It could be PAC1 OR PAC100, their absence doesn't affect me.....I have zero interest in College Football.

I know Directv will be increasing their rates next year but my first year direct savings with them is just over $400 in the first year and around $150 in the second, and that's not counting the $200 visa card they sent me to cover the $140 Dish cancellation penalty and the other freebies like Sunday Ticket and 6 to 12 months of free premiums. I think these savings will more than offset the increases to come.

People, I'm no shill for Direct, just a customer that's looking to pay a fair value for a decent service. I think all of their days are numbered & look forward to the day I can find a reasonable way to cut the cord. I admire Dish for trying but I found their company policies towards their customers not very endearing and conducive to encourage loyalty. Direct may not pan out to be the long valuable service provider I'm looking for but so far they've made a good start. Being a huge sports fan, I probably did make the wrong satellite provider choice in going to Dish from the start as I now see Direct's emphasis on it's sports coverage and definitely like it.

Maybe it really is not a bad idea for Dish to just drop ESPN and try to be that economy value provider, as I agree, sports is getting ridiculously expensive and fans like me are not helping.

Do what is best for you. I bet no one here is willing to pay your bill so I have no idea why people care. Switch every two if you need to. You won't get any sh*t from me man. I had Direct and they wanted to charge me way to much for a genie. I was out of contract, never missed a payment and had the premiere pack. I wasn't looking for a freebie but $300 was way to much. So to each his own and good luck to you sir.

 

[gadgtfreek]

I suspect that it is mostly done with emails and phone calls. The contracts are probably in MS word with a markup and change history. Each side keeps marking up and making comments about different sections and they send these markups back and forth as they work out the details in each section of the contract. Given the number of channels I would not be surprised if the contract was several hundred pages. Each sentence is scrutinized by each side. The contract was probably originated by Disney as their "standard" licensing contract.

Essentially it just keeps going back and forth between the lawyers until it comes down to just a few points of contention, then these points are individually negotiated, by executives on each side, and if a general agreement is reached on a point then the lawyers start going back and forth with the language to reflect what each side believes was agreed to until they agree on the language of that point.

This is why it can take a very long time to come up with a contract.

Thats how we do it. Just when you think you got it, some jack wagon inserts a comment about one little thing and derails the whole process. Once the people that actually understand what the hell the contract is about and pertains too agree, then the lawyers get to waste their bloodsucking time with it, more track changes...

 

[navychop]

More The Caine Mutiny. ESPN/ABC want all the strawberries!


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I am manipulating the ball bearings in my pocket! Or somebody else is. Err, uhm, I mean... Uh, somebody else, somebody else's pocket, uh, err, .....

 

[dalyew]

Do what is best for you. I bet no one here is willing to pay your bill so I have no idea why people care. Switch every two if you need to. You won't get any sh*t from me man. I had Direct and they wanted to charge me way to much for a genie. I was out of contract, never missed a payment and had the premiere pack. I wasn't looking for a freebie but $300 was way to much. So to each his own and good luck to you siur.

I feel you man. Similar thing happened to me with Dish while they were giving away free upgrades to other customers. Was left to feel like my business wasnt valuable like others of the same tenure although I paid my A250 bill every month. Got wind of this ESPN/Disney thing on the horizon and with me going through the AMC crap just a couple weeks after signing up, didn't feel the need to stick around. We the customers can only vote with our dollars and feet. Of course was offered the free upgrade and other crap when I called their bluff and canceled .....too late.

 

[dalyew]

'Tis how it is with some people. Disagree with them or state an opinion they disagree with and you are an ignorant hillbilly that doesn't understand how the world works. I get this kind of response on my blog all the time.

I am with you. As a consumer, I feel caught in the middle, under contract, with no other choices. Here in Podunk city, population 345, we have four choices, Dish, Directv, Time Warner, and antenna. Time Warner is prohibitively expensive and uses equipment that hails back to the Adelphia days. (Awful, antiquated equipment that even the installers are embarrassed to install) With the antenna I can either get six channels from Toledo or six channels from Fort Wayne. So it is either Dish or Directv, and I have had both. I switch every few years to try and save on cost.

In the meantime, other costs continue to escalate. I am disabled, so we are basically a one income family. Our insurance costs are going up in January and Ohio Gas just raised our budget by 60%. I am not whining, it is what it is. Costs go up, while wages continue to decline or stay the same. Consumers, especially those who are on the lower end of the economic spectrum, face increasing economic pressure as costs continue to climb. Of course, having Dish is not essential, but we do love to watch TV and not being able to would certainly be disappointing. (As someone with chronic pain and debility, TV often becomes the one thing that can take my mind off the pain, especially on days when the pain meds are not working as well as they should.

As much as I love watching sports, I am concerned about the ever-escalating costs for sports.

Best post ever I've seen in this forum. That's what I call "keeping it real" Bruce. What's your blog?

 

[Yespage]

Well I think my head beat my gut in this round... but the good news is the channels are still on DISH. And as long as the channels are on DISH I will consider that a positive sign.

While I typically hold your intuitional gut with high regard... I honestly can't possibly conjure up a single thought where the channels being up still would be anything of a bad sign. So your observation here would be pretty obvious.

In the end, I see no reason why Disney should take the channels back because it isn't like they are giving us the whole product to begin with. And all they'd need to do would be to take away ESPN in HD to get a maelstrom going.

Personally, I'm still upset about the channels not being gone already. I wanted to get a new washer from Dish.

 

[JTBenson]

I'm positive talks will break down next Friday morning and they'll pull all their networks at midnight so I'll end up missing OU/Texas on ABC.

And before the antenna gang swoopes in to scream "free over the air", I can't receive over the air where I live. Such is the life of someone who live in Canyon Country, California.

I just hope OU wins by about 50.

 

[osu1991]

I just hope OU wins by about 50.

I wouldn't see that as a problem, unless that officiating crew from Ames shows up.