Needs tips for new installation today
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Well, since we're specifically referring to the AQ Cable the tech offered the Customer, and I know it's not a "4K Cable" - that's some nonsense his managers filled his head with, certified for in-wall installation. Gold plated terminals vs copper or silver, stamped connectors vs soldered, 5 year warranty, doesn't contain hazardous substances, like lead, making it RoHS certified.....
The commission on a 40 dollar cable is barely worth mentioning, and internals don't make commission on sales
And these mean what for a customer? OK, maybe the "certified for in wall installation". Warranty? blah... odds are against even the cheap cables giving out within 5 years, and I can replace it multiple times before I match the cost of the "high end" cable. Sorry, still not sold.
I agree. The regular HDMI cables came included with each new Dish receiver that I accumulated through the years, plus Dish was giving HDMI cables away for free during the AMC dispute, to go along with the free Rokus, since the Roku by itself did not include the HDMI cable. (I had two Dish accounts, so I got two Rokus and two HDMI cables, absolutely free.) Between those sources, I have maybe a half-dozen or more HDMI cables still in the original packaging, unopened. I could replace all of my HDMI cables at least a couple of times without having to spend any more money.
My experience has also been that the Dish “free” HDMI cables are very high quality.
I haven't had one go bad yet. I wish I could say the same for the one that we bought when we got our very first HDTV. I was having an issue with it, and replacing it with the Dish-provided one fixed the problem.
It's just marketing, no different than comparing a Uhf/Vhf analog antenna to a genuine "Hd Ota Antenna". 
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Well, I suppose it could be a case that HipKat has a system that would reveal the superiority of the cable and that he is able to see a real difference--much like someone with Perfect Pitch--that the vast majority can not see, and maybe he had a pro calibrate that display and maybe even external processing could all result in a real difference due to the cable. If HipKat can really see a difference, then I use the analogy of the very few people who have Perfect Pitch: something REAL but sufficiently rare that everyone else has a hard time imagining Perfect Pitch being real. So, if HipKat likes the more expensive cable and he sees a difference, then such an expense is worth it to him. To the rest of us mere mortals
, who can't see the difference, then it would be foolish for us to spend the additional $$ if we see no gain in premium cable, but that doesn't mean that a very few people can NOT truly see a difference.
However, as I've said before, I would love for a number of double-blind tests from different parties done and for those results to be shared because the double-blind tests so far regarding Hi-Res Audio etc. vs. Auido CD Redbook, and even multi-million dollar Stradivarius violins compared to less expensive modern violins has shown about 50% rate of being able to tell the difference (and yes many a Stradivarius have been butchered to have the capability of modern violins--then an Original Instrument musician of Historically Informed Performance will take the viciously, trans-genered-like altered Stradivarius and UN-butcher it back to its original and glorious form and SOUND it was designed to emit. So there is something to say about what a "Stradivarius" really is or supposed to be).
Back on topic: I also await reports from the OP in the coming days because Dish was supposed to have sent updates that addressed the horrible performance of the earlier Hoppers, so it could be a case of things not being as bad as WE have had to experience, so bad for me that I was really prepared to LEAVE Dish because I need a DVR and system that WORKS.
Well, I suppose it could be a case that HipKat has a system that would reveal the superiority of the cable and that he is able to see a real difference--much like someone with Perfect Pitch--that the vast majority can not see, and maybe he had a pro calibrate that display and maybe even external processing could all result in a real difference due to the cable. If HipKat can really see a difference, then I use the analogy of the very few people who have Perfect Pitch: something REAL but sufficiently rare that everyone else has a hard time imagining Perfect Pitch being real. So, if HipKat likes the more expensive cable and he sees a difference, then such an expense is worth it to him. To the rest of us mere mortals
, who can't see the difference, then it would be foolish for us to spend the additional $$ if we see no gain in premium cable, but that doesn't mean that a very few people can NOT truly see a difference.However, as I've said before, I would love for a number of double-blind tests from different parties done and for those results to be shared because the double-blind tests so far regarding Hi-Res Audio etc. vs. Auido CD Redbook, and even multi-million dollar Stradivarius violins compared to less expensive modern violins has shown about 50% rate of being able to tell the difference (and yes many a Stradivarius have been butchered to have the capability of modern violins--then an Original Instrument musician of Historically Informed Performance will take the viciously, trans-genered-like altered Stradivarius and UN-butcher it back to its original and glorious form and SOUND it was designed to emit. So there is something to say about what a "Stradivarius" really is or supposed to be).
Back on topic: I also await reports from the OP in the coming days because Dish was supposed to have sent updates that addressed the horrible performance of the earlier Hoppers, so it could be a case of things not being as bad as WE have had to experience, so bad for me that I was really prepared to LEAVE Dish because I need a DVR and system that WORKS.
Yeah, because companies give away high quality stuff en masse for free all the time.
:Look no one is forcing anyone to buy anything. You guys act like sales is the ultimate evil. I sit here and read about these mutli-thousand dollar TV's many of you have, that I will never be able to afford, that are only marginally different from TV's that cost less. You didn't NEED an $1800.00 TV. the $900.00 ones have clear pictures, smart apps, etc. My LG looks perfectly clear, bright, beautiful and has all the apps I need. Someone sold you everything you own. I think it's extremely hypocritical for the same people that spend thousands of dollars on electronics to sit here and post that the cheapest POS cable you can get for free is good enough.
Then, on top of that, pointing out losses of subscribers in multiple threads, but not acknowledging that Dish is being pro-active in finding other sources of revenue, and not only not acknowledging it as a positive method of income, but out right vilifying it
Yeah, because companies give away high quality stuff en masse for free all the time.
Look no one is forcing anyone to buy anything. You guys act like sales is the ultimate evil. I sit here and read about these mutli-thousand dollar TV's many of you have, that I will never be able to afford, that are only marginally different from TV's that cost less. You didn't NEED an $1800.00 TV. the $900.00 ones have clear pictures, smart apps, etc. My LG looks perfectly clear, bright, beautiful and has all the apps I need. Someone sold you everything you own. I think it's extremely hypocritical for the same people that spend thousands of dollars on electronics to sit here and post that the cheapest POS cable you can get for free is good enough.
Then, on top of that, pointing out losses of subscribers in multiple threads, but not acknowledging that Dish is being pro-active in finding other sources of revenue, and not only not acknowledging it as a positive method of income, but out right vilifying it
It’s because there isn’t any evidence that the $39 cable is any better than the free one. People are willing to pay for something that is clearly better
Clearly is subjective.
I saw a post on a Dish Network FB page today, if you want a different perspective.
Customer: What do you get if I buy this?
Dish Tech: I get to keep my job
People buy things they don't "need" all the time, like a $2500.00 TV, for example. No one sitting in their living room needs a TV that costs thousands of dollars. and I stand by the fact that it's hypocritical to spend that amount of money on a TV, yet balk, no, like I said earlier, vilify a $40.00 cable that in at least a few ways is better than the free one in the box.
And my point isn't even about the AQ Cable, specifically. It;s the principle
Go to Best Buy and look at a $900 Sony TV sitting next to a $2500 Sony TV playing the same program. You'll see a noticeable difference. Yes, that's subjective, but anyone with eyesight will see it. You can't see any difference between a $10 hdmi cable and a DISH $40 hdmi cable. For the record, I don't buy the more expensive TV, but I can definitely see the difference.
However, people who buy the $2500 Sony probably already own a set of quality cables. That's not the point here. When a person signs up for satellite TV service and have a technician come out to install it, they trust that technician to be honest and straight with them. They may very well have one of those cheaper TV's, that was their choice. They certainly don't expect to be fed a line of BS about some expensive cable being necessary to enjoy their new TV service.
If you continue to defend DISH's practice of forcing their technician's to sell unneeded equipment while representing yourself as one of the quality installers, maybe you shouldn't bring up the subject of hypocrisy.
Would a tech prefer I buy the $39 cable or get a $20 tip? I’ll do one or the other. Not both. And I don’t really need the cable.
I must comment, I’ve had a couple HDMI cables go bad on me. And I have a couple so stiff they are useless.
I must comment, I’ve had a couple HDMI cables go bad on me. And I have a couple so stiff they are useless.
I don’t recall ever having some cable, screen cleaner or what not pitched to me by a Dish (Viasat) tech. But it’s been years since I’ve had one out. I always just handed over cash.
