Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

[dfergie]

Just finished, watching Ready Room, I enjoyed it, they were thinking "outside the box" and it worked for me. Also some interesting things from movie and series Canon thrown in, (Kirk referring to Carol & unborn child, Spock deciding to fight off emotion) etc...

 

[SamCdbs]

, (Kirk referring to Carol & unborn child...

Since you brought it up, my impression from the Wrath of Khan was that Kirk was unaware of having impregnated Carol and was unaware of David's existence until the events of that movie. (Do not confuse this with the identical plot device of Picard season three )

Knowing about David for 25 years and never meeting him until an accidental encounter during that movie, kind of makes this Kirk a POS.

 

[Bruce]

Since you brought it up, my impression from the Wrath of Khan was that Kirk was unaware of having impregnated Carol and was unaware of David's existence until the events of that movie. (Do not confuse this with the identical plot device of Picard season three )

No, he said to Carol when they were inside the planet, first to her-“Is that David”?

Then later on in conversation when Kirk said to Carol about how she wanted him to stay away, then see said correct, she wanted him to stay with her instead of galavanting around the galaxy with his father.

Knowing about David for 25 years and never meeting him until an accidental encounter during that movie, kind of makes this Kirk a POS.

See above.

 

[osu1991]

Well guys, from what I've been reading all day, the "average" person on Facebook and other forums LOVED this episode! Many people claim they are watching it multiple times, because "it was so good!".

SatGuys is the ONLY forum and thread I've found so far where posters are saying this episode was terrible, and they think the show has jumped the shark...

You should look at the SNW threads on TCF. It's like this season is the worst thing ever.

https://www.tivocommunity.com/threads/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-s2e9-subspace-rhapsody.592044/

 

[Bruce]

You should look at the SNW threads on TCF. It's like this season is the worst thing ever.

https://www.tivocommunity.com/threads/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-s2e9-subspace-rhapsody.592044/

I would of liked it better if they saved it for next season , one goofy episode a season, Lower Decks this year, musical next season.

 

[Foxbat]

I would have liked it better if they saved it for next season , one goofy episode a season, Lower Decks this year, musical next season.

The only thing about this episode is it pushed along the expression (in song) of the repressed emotional distress several of the crew have built up over the past season, clearing the way forward for their story lines. Did it have to be song? No, but it worked.

 

[meStevo]

I'm loving this season. Not sure I want to watch the musical ep though.

 

[long_time_DNC]

I'm loving this season. Not sure I want to watch the musical ep though.

It's something different, that's for sure.

 

[KAB]

I'm loving this season. Not sure I want to watch the musical ep though.

If you are still enjoying the season, DON'T watch the musical. No need to ruin it for you.

 

[Bruce]

If you are still enjoying the season, DON'T watch the musical. No need to ruin it for you.

It does lead into stuff, Chapel leaving, the Fellowship is headed up by her future fiancé for example.

 

[MikeD-C05]

Having never seen Buffy, I can't comment on the aspect of that copying it.

All I can say is that I enjoyed it. Sure, it was a tad campy, it was a "bottle" episode that they turned into a Broadway musical. But, almost every incarnation of Trek (except for Enterprise) has had one (or more) episodes with a music scene in it. Not a entire episode, but at least a scene.

After a little research, I found this:

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-musical-sequence-singing-explained-every/

My point being, to sum up my post, is that yeah, it was odd, unexpected, out-of-the-ordinary, but then isn't that what Trek is all about? In a time when people are stressed-out, angry and sad, I say hey, let's lighten up a little and have some fun. This episode did just that and I applaud them for going out on a limb and trying it (and besides that, some of the music was quite good).

I liked it too but I actually like musicals. I think it furthered the characters and their emotional beliefs in each other and their companions. I was surprised that so many of them could sing. I also loved the dancing Klingons. I laughed so hard for the time they were on the screen.

 

[MikeD-C05]

Since you brought it up, my impression from the Wrath of Khan was that Kirk was unaware of having impregnated Carol and was unaware of David's existence until the events of that movie. (Do not confuse this with the identical plot device of Picard season three )

Knowing about David for 25 years and never meeting him until an accidental encounter during that movie, kind of makes this Kirk a POS.

Yes I remembered that too. David was never known to exist till he was an adult that came on board the ship with his mother Carol Marcus. I don't know if this changes anything, maybe just poetic license. Same plot was used in Picard with his son he never knew existed with Dr. Crusher. Evidently birth control is still a problem in the 23rd and 24th centuries.

 

[Bruce]

I was surprised that so many of them could sing.

‘They also seem to protect the ones who could not sing so well, the Captain and the Helmsman are the two I noticed that did not do as much singing as the rest.

I also loved the dancing Klingons. I laughed so hard for the time they were on the screen.

The Klingon Boy Band is what I see get the most references, there is a different take of that scene they are supposed to put out on YouTube, maybe a Opera?

 

[TheKrell]

 

[harshness]

They also seem to protect the ones who could not sing so well, the Captain and the Helmsman are the two I noticed that did not do as much singing as the rest.

There is only so much time in an episode.

While Dr. M'Benga said that he doesn't sing, I bet he can.

The "rules of musicals" were pretty well observed.

I think what surprises so many is how deep SNW seems to directly delve into the characters rather than exploring them through interactions.

 

[long_time_DNC]

There's this nifty little thing called Autotune that can keep most anyone's voice on-note in post-production. So, even if Anson Mount doesn't have the greatest voice, they can fix it up enough so he can carry a tune.

Most actors have had Broadway experience and have sung in musicals, so it didn't surprise me too much that most of them could sing (some quite well), but like I said, they can use Autotune in post to fix most issues...

 

[harshness]

There's this nifty little thing called Autotune that can keep most anyone's voice on-note in post-production.

It sounded like they may have used autotune on Jess' parts.

 

[long_time_DNC]

It sounded like they may have used autotune on Jess' parts.

Hard to tell, lots of voices in that scene in the lounge. Pretty sure they did with Ethan Peck's songs though...

 

[Bruce]

Since you brought it up, my impression from the Wrath of Khan was that Kirk was unaware of having impregnated Carol and was unaware of David's existence until the events of that movie. (Do not confuse this with the identical plot device of Picard season three )

Knowing about David for 25 years and never meeting him until an accidental encounter during that movie, kind of makes this Kirk a POS.

Yes I remembered that too. David was never known to exist till he was an adult that came on board the ship with his mother Carol Marcus. I don't know if this changes anything, maybe just poetic license. Same plot was used in Picard with his son he never knew existed with Dr. Crusher. Evidently birth control is still a problem in the 23rd and 24th centuries.

From Star Trek 2’s Script

(Kirk and David fight)
KIRK: Where's Doctor Marcus?
DAVID: I'm Doctor Marcus!
CAROL (OC): Jim!
KIRK: Is that David?

later on

KIRK: I did what you wanted. ...I stayed away. ...Why didn't you tell him?
CAROL: How can you ask me that? Were we together? Were we going to be? You had your world and I had mine. And I wanted him in mine, not chasing through the universe with his father. ... Actually, he's a lot like you. In many ways. Please tell me what you're feeling.
KIRK: There's a man out there I haven't seen in fifteen years who's trying to kill me. You show me a son that'd be happy to help him. My son. ...My life that could have been, ...and wasn't. And what am I feeling? ...Old. ...Worn out.
CAROL: Let me show you something ...that'll make you feel young as when the world was new.

So Kirk knew, David did not.

http://www.chakoteya.net/movies/movie2.html

 

[MikeD-C05]

From Star Trek 2’s Script

(Kirk and David fight)
KIRK: Where's Doctor Marcus?
DAVID: I'm Doctor Marcus!
CAROL (OC): Jim!
KIRK: Is that David?

later on

KIRK: I did what you wanted. ...I stayed away. ...Why didn't you tell him?
CAROL: How can you ask me that? Were we together? Were we going to be? You had your world and I had mine. And I wanted him in mine, not chasing through the universe with his father. ... Actually, he's a lot like you. In many ways. Please tell me what you're feeling.
KIRK: There's a man out there I haven't seen in fifteen years who's trying to kill me. You show me a son that'd be happy to help him. My son. ...My life that could have been, ...and wasn't. And what am I feeling? ...Old. ...Worn out.
CAROL: Let me show you something ...that'll make you feel young as when the world was new.

So Kirk knew, David did not.

http://www.chakoteya.net/movies/movie2.html

Oh that makes sense then. Well they used the same plot with Picard except he never knew he had a son with Dr. Crusher.