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ccrider9

Last reply Jul 21, 2009 · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion

I need to find AMC-6

This might be the wrong thread for this, but I was hoping one of you old and fading away C-Bander's might be able to answer a question.

I'm using a GI 350i Super C/Ku-band receiver to move a 10' dish so I can program my Technotrend S2-3200 receiver card in a PC.
Is there a C or Ku Band Analog Transponder on AMC-6 that I can lock on to?

If not; How would you guys go about locating a satellite?

Thanks Much,
Chris

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Lak7

Jul 17, 2009

I don't know of any Analog on AMC6, but the Digital NASA TP is very Strong.
Freq: 4040
Polarity: Vertical
Scan Rate: 26665

Good Luck

ccrider9

Jul 17, 2009

Lak7 said:
I don't know of any Analog on AMC6, but the Digital NASA TP is very Strong.
Freq: 4040
Polarity: Vertical
Scan Rate: 26665

Good Luck

I'm really new to this, I don't even have the S2-3200 installed in my PC yet. I figured I would have to locate AMC-6 with my old GI box before I could scan it with the FTA card....Am I correct? Or should the card tell me when it's on the bird?

Are the NASA channels C or Ku?
I haven't used the Ku LNB for 20 years, so I have no idea if it works. I haven't been able to find anything analog.

Is there anything ANALOG still out here on Ku?

Thanks for Your Response,
Chris

phlatwound

Jul 18, 2009

ccrider9 said:
I'm really new to this, I don't even have the S2-3200 installed in my PC yet. I figured I would have to locate AMC-6 with my old GI box before I could scan it with the FTA card....Am I correct? Or should the card tell me when it's on the bird?

Are the NASA channels C or Ku?
I haven't used the Ku LNB for 20 years, so I have no idea if it works. I haven't been able to find anything analog.

Is there anything ANALOG still out here on Ku?

Thanks for Your Response,
Chris

Chris, the NASA channels on 72W (and 137W) are C-band. And there is very little-to-none 24/7 Ku analog out there any more.

ccrider9

Jul 19, 2009

phlatwound said:
Chris, the NASA channels on 72W (and 137W) are C-band. And there is very little-to-none 24/7 Ku analog out there any more.

Phlatwound, :up
Thanks for the Hand-Hold'en, I finally found NASA on AMC-6...it was a lot closer to AMC-3 than I thought (counts). I've got 4 C-band satellites located now, pretty much across the ARC, so I think my dish is close to tuned.
I'm still not sure my Ku LNB is any good, as I recall, it was always hard to get a good signal with it .... years ago.

Until another day....

Chris

Gooch

Jul 19, 2009

ccrider9 said:
Phlatwound, :up
Thanks for the Hand-Hold'en, I finally found NASA on AMC-6...it was a lot closer to AMC-3 than I thought (counts). I've got 4 C-band satellites located now, pretty much across the ARC, so I think my dish is close to tuned.
I'm still not sure my Ku LNB is any good, as I recall, it was always hard to get a good signal with it .... years ago.

Until another day....
Chris

I'm having the same problem with a 15 year old UST4600. I can't get AMC-6 because of trees. What other C-band satellites did you locate?

ccrider9

Jul 20, 2009

Gooch said:
I'm having the same problem with a 15 year old UST4600. I can't get AMC-6 because of trees. What other C-band satellites did you locate?

So far, on a Technotrend S2-3200 PC card running DVBViewer V4.1.1 pro software with a 10' solid dish I've got:

AMC 1 C ----4 channels nothing on but NYC legislative channel (playing a loop of congress - men & Women's pictures).

AMC 1 Ku ----3 channels, only got a screen with info & audio (Bloomburg)
AMC 3 C ----Has the most channels (31) lot of old TV shows from the late 60's?? (Dragnet) and 70's A-team, BaBa Black Sheep etc. Many channels showing the same show. Also getting a lot of radio channels.
AMC 6 C ----3 SD NASA channels and 2 HD NASA channels (nothing but an info screen)

AMC 1 C 62%
AMC 1 Ku really weak, 32% (in the red yesterday...today I can't see it)
AMC 3 C 64%
AMC 6 C NASA gave me the best signal 67%

On the other end of the ARC, I haven't found anything yet except C-band Analog. I get some sparkles on those, so I'm wondering if I might be out of alignment.

Do you need a better aim for the Digital Receivers than you do for Analogs?
Might explain why I can't find anything to the West. I used to get Analog F1 @ 137deg. fairly clear but it has remained lost for several years...I assume replaced by AMC-7. I figured I'd Get NASA over there, but no luck.

I'm hoping to find the Brickyard NASCAR race this weekend. I can't remember if they blacked us out last year. I know they always do for the Indy 500...the main reason I took on this project.

melgarga

Jul 21, 2009

Yes dual ( C and Ku) band BUD. BUD has come to be defined as any sat dish over about 4 ft.
I think your AMC3 is actually AMC9 the RTV (Retro Television) Network @ 83W. That signal is quite difficult to capture at times so I'd say you have a decent S/N ratio value for your Ku side. Check out the Ku content on 97W, 101W, 123W, 129W the list goes on....
Speaking of lists, did you look at the ones under "The List" tab at the top of the page?
Or try these -
http://www.global-cm.net/mpeg2central.html
Pretty comprehensive lists of the DVB available on C and Ku.
Have you been here lately? -
http://lyngsat.com/america.html
All in all it sounds like you have everything you need, in working order and the skillset to make it all happen, you just need to be brought up to date on what is where.

ccrider9

Jul 21, 2009

melgarga said:
Yes dual ( C and Ku) band BUD. BUD has come to be defined as any sat dish over about 4 ft.
I think your AMC3 is actually AMC9 the RTV (Retro Television) Network @ 83W. That signal is quite difficult to capture at times so I'd say you have a decent S/N ratio value for your Ku side. Check out the Ku content on 97W, 101W, 123W, 129W the list goes on....
Speaking of lists, did you look at the ones under "The List" tab at the top of the page?
Or try these -
MPEG
Pretty comprehensive lists of the DVB available on C and Ku.
Have you been here lately? -
North & South America - LyngSat
All in all it sounds like you have everything you need, in working order and the skillset to make it all happen, you just need to be brought up to date on what is where.

D'ho! Now I'm really confused. I see on Lyngsat ...the RTV stations, but I thought AMC-9 is a Ku bird? I unplugged my Ku LNB from the DiSEqC, and the Transedit software still finds the RTV stations. I moved the dish to AMC6 (NASA) unplugged the c-band and the picture froze...tells me that I don't have the feeds crossed, so I don't know what's going on here.

Are you familiar with Transedit Software (part of the DVBViewer sw)?

When setting up a DiSEqC; What data determines Sat1 or Sat 2? Is it the LOF1, or the Frequency of the channel you're searching for? I assumed it was the LOF1, because the directions said to 'enter 5150 for AMC3 C and 10750 for AMC3 Ku'.

A stupid question....Can a C-band LNB pick up Ku???

Thanks for the heads-up to the LIST tab, and the other list links. That should help immensely,
Chris

B.J.

Jul 21, 2009

ccrider9 said:
So far, on a Technotrend S2-3200 PC card running DVBViewer V4.1.1 pro software with a 10' solid dish I've got:
....
....

AMC 6 C ----3 SD NASA channels and 2 HD NASA channels (nothing but an info screen)

...

I'm only aware of one NASA HD channel on AMC-6. Certainly only one on the 4040 mux. Did you find another transponder with another HD channel, or are you somehow seeing the one HD channel as being 2 channels?
There ARE 3 other NASA transponders on AMC-6, but those are all SD. I haven't noticed another HD NASA channel, unless you picked up one of those HDNET feeds.

ccrider9

Jul 21, 2009

B.J. said:
I'm only aware of one NASA HD channel on AMC-6. Certainly only one on the 4040 mux. Did you find another transponder with another HD channel, or are you somehow seeing the one HD channel as being 2 channels?
There ARE 3 other NASA transponders on AMC-6, but those are all SD. I haven't noticed another HD NASA channel, unless you picked up one of those HDNET feeds.

I checked again to be sure and I have 5, I have yet to see anything but the info screen on the last two (HQ4 & HQ5), just says occasional HD programming or something to that effect. I've included an image from the TransEdit app that scans for channels. The numbers probably mean more to you than me...still a newbie here.

Chris

Edit: My BAD... I think I'm gonna have to eat those words. I think HQ4 is nothing and DVBViewer just freezes the last channel tuned. So if I move from HQ5 to HQ4 the HD info screen for HQ5 is just froze on the screen for HQ4. I still get signal strength on HQ4, but evidently they're doing something different, or just a carrier.

B.J.

Jul 21, 2009

ccrider9 said:
I checked again to be sure and I have 5, I have yet to see anything but the info screen on the last two (HQ4 & HQ5), just says occasional HD programming or something to that effect. I've included an image from the TransEdit app that scans for channels. The numbers probably mean more to you than me...still a newbie here.

Chris

Edit: My BAD... I think I'm gonna have to eat those words. I think HQ4 is nothing and DVBViewer just freezes the last channel tuned. So if I move from HQ5 to HQ4 the HD info screen for HQ5 is just froze on the screen for HQ4. I still get signal strength on HQ4, but evidently they're doing something different, or just a carrier.

HQ4 is an encrypted SD channel. When they first started up the mux, they had it FTA for a while, but it's been encrypted pretty much every time I've looked ever since it encrypted. You're probably right, that it's just giving you a blank screen or something and retaining the HQ5 info, when you switch from HQ5 to HQ4. That's one reason I like to use TSREADER. It makes it much more obvious when you have an encrypted stream, and you can tell which streams have enough bitrate to be HD, etc, etc.

EDIT: Just added some TSREADER screen shots.
First one shows the 12 mbps HD stream in green, compared to the SD streams that are about 3 to 6 mbps.
The second , I've scrolled down in the chart section to see the HQ4 stream in red (encrypted). Interestingly, it's about 8 mbps, which is pretty high quality SD, but not really fast enough for decent HD. It used to be SD when it wasn't encrypted. It's possible that it's 4.2.2 like the video on other transponders. They have the video info other than mpeg hidden by the encryption.
This view also shows that the null stream (8191) is almost empty, meaning that this whole mux is just barely holding all the channels they have there, particularly since they seem to be using a fixed bit rate. I seem to be getting occasional errors on this mux even though I'm getting a strong signal.

ccrider9

Jul 21, 2009

I've played with TSReader Lite and ATSC signals before, not that I really know a lot about what I'm looking at. I did manage to find the TVGOS transmitting station here in the Indy market. I'll have to give that a try....noticed it has a Source DLL for my tuner.

Perhaps they use HQ4 for personal communication .... Air-to-Wife and such.

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Anony55

Last reply Yesterday at 7:40 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Has Made it Impossible to be a VIP211k Owner

For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.

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Nebugeater

Dec 22, 2025

Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally

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tparker

Sep 30, 2026

Nebugeater said:
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally

Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.

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Nebugeater

Oct 2, 2026

tparker said:
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.

Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion

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Anony55

Thursday at 6:18 PM

Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 11:31 AM

Nebugeater said:
Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion

Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.

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Anony55

Yesterday at 4:19 PM

dishstaller said:
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.

It hasn't changed. When I cancelled my service the other day, they told me I didn't need to return the receiver (which I already knew because I purchased it).

But in addition to that, the young man told me not to sell it, but to take it to a recycling place. The reason he gave for the advice was because 211Ks can no longer be activated.

So as far as the VIP211k goes... once grandpa dies, he's dead.

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telstar_1

Yesterday at 5:37 PM

They tell you to trash it and not to sell simply because they're phasing them out, not particularly because someone might be "confused" into buying it and not be able to activate. They tell people that in every case where they're not acting to get a box back, either from a replacement or service cancel.

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Corrado

Yesterday at 7:40 PM

Although my VIP211K hasn't been subscribed or connected to a dish in probably 5 years since canceling service, my 1 TB HDD full of programming still works fine.

Upon occasion I power it up to watch something I recorded as far back as 2010. The last time I had it going in September it even let me rescan the local OTA channels which I think it refused at some earlier time. I will use it until the day it fails but this topic makes me think some software download is responsible for current subscribers.

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NBA League Pass

Has anyone subscribed to NBA League Pass for 2026-27 and try to link their account to NBA.com to stream League Pass? I purchased it for 2026-27, and when I linked, I got a message saying success, but then I receive an error that my linked subscription does not include the preseason games for NBA League Pass. Is that how it has always been? I know satellite doesn't have the preseason games on the NBA League Pass channels, but I thought that I was able to stream the preseason once I linked my account on NBA.com?

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zippyfrog

Wednesday at 4:54 AM

I found my answer...when I log into the NBA app on my phone and try to watch, it gives me a more clear answer that it acknowledges I have paid for NBA League Pass from Dish and it is linked, but I need an "upgraded" subscription to League Pass for the preseason games. So I guess it is by design that Dish does not show the preseason games on League pass and that the contract Dish has signed for league pass is explicitly for the regular season games. (I know the description for League Pass says regular season games, but I thought that was only by satellite and the preseason would have worked)

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Yesterday at 7:37 PM

I plan on doing what I did last season. I ordered the more expensive arena feed version from the NBA website. It's worth it because you get to watch what's going on in the arena instead of just staring at the ad break slide on the Dish version. The main advantage to ordering from the website is you can go on a month by month basis and cancel if you get tired of it.

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2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Yespage

Thursday at 4:57 PM

24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
- Independent of record too! Bonus.
MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
- Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
Going to start resting players?
- The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
- Resting players could make games dumb.
- Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

AZ.

Thursday at 5:30 PM

Yespage said:
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff

Independent of record too! Bonus.

MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.

I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games

Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff

Going to start resting players?

The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!

Resting players could make games dumb.

Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.

How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

Jimbo

Thursday at 5:47 PM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

AZ.

Thursday at 9:12 PM

Jimbo said:
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Jimbo

Thursday at 9:24 PM

AZ. said:
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...
Edit, Bama plays 4, Georgia plays 3, But Ole Miss plays 5 (didn't expect to see that)

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

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AZ.

Thursday at 9:27 PM

Jimbo said:
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

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Jimbo

Thursday at 10:07 PM

AZ. said:
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

Seeing theres very little activity in the MLB threads, it wouldn't matter if I posted that the Astros didn't make the Playoffs ...

Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

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Jimbo

Thursday at 10:54 PM

IF they go to 24 teams, and it looks like they will soon ....
Do we Really want Teams with 3 and 4 losses in the Playoffs ?
Is a 3-4 Loss team one thats able to win 4-5 more games against Top teams ?

Yespage

Yesterday at 10:04 AM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

A 12 team playoff net should catch any undefeated team. The 12 team playoff also exposed that rankings suck. I mean, we kind of knew already that the rankings weren't particularly reproducible, but we now have the empirical evidence that the rankings suck because judging who is the best among a mickey mouse scheduled football season isn't a rational endeavor. So the 12 team playoff ensures most teams that should make it, do, including the mid-major undefeated team. 8 teams should be able to work as well, but puts greater risk at OSU and Alabama missing the playoff... can't have that.

Which is the run up to my main problem with the 24 team set up is that it is designed to keep the OSU's and Alabama's from missing the playoff. The cartels are ensuring widespread participation for their own cartels to increase the monetary reward to themselves. It is fixing the system while not fixing the outcomes, merely making the regular season game outcomes virtually irrelevant. Sure, a bye for winning the conference would be nice, but we've already seen that byes aren't that influential.

AZ. said:
We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

That is college football in a nutshell. Again, college football isn't about competition, it is about revenue. The entire setup is about making money, from regular season squash games against local jobbers like the WWF days to tax exempt bowl games.

And to add to the first world woes, the college football cartels have made being a College Football fan even more expensive... so they can get paid more.

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meStevo

Yesterday at 6:20 PM

Jimbo said:
Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one

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Last reply Yesterday at 5:37 PM · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.

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Scott Greczkowski

Thursday at 3:39 PM

Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

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Foxbat

Thursday at 3:42 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

WTF… …What the Foxbat!

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 12:29 AM

Foxbat said:
WTF… …What the Foxbat!

wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 12:38 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you

I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 6:03 AM

Foxbat said:
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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OMG to freaking funny :biggrin

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comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 11:31 AM

Foxbat said:
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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Not likely since that place closed down.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 5:37 PM

comfortably_numb said:
Not likely since that place closed down.

You're no fun.

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Therm

Last reply Yesterday at 4:01 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Am I the only one that hates what Dish did to their mobile app?

I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 12:56 PM

I really dislike change for the sake of change

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dishdude

Yesterday at 2:51 PM

I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.

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Therm

Yesterday at 3:39 PM

dishdude said:
I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.

Yes a lot cleaner, glossier, and less functional. Someone trying to justify why they are making a big salary. "See look shiny"

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navychop

Yesterday at 3:53 PM

"Big salary." Charlie. "?Big?"

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Tampa8

Yesterday at 4:01 PM

Seems in some ways better. Nicer layout, as others said maybe cleaner. Moving ahead in the guide is better.

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Foxbat

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Last reply Yesterday at 3:48 PM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

New Apple TV 4K released, plus other Apple Home devices.

Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…

Apple TV 4K

Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.

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Ronnie-

Tuesday at 9:19 PM

Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.

Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.

It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

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navychop

Tuesday at 9:31 PM

Ronnie- said:
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

navychop

Thursday at 12:55 PM

Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

KAB

Thursday at 7:46 PM

navychop said:
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 12:08 AM

navychop said:
Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what

. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

ncted

Yesterday at 9:00 AM

KAB said:
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!

Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.

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navychop

Yesterday at 2:31 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones

ncted

Yesterday at 3:45 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

I assume you mean services, like iCloud and Apple Music, and not actual software sales. Services have been growing quickly for Apple, but hardware still brings home the bacon. As for where Apple's revenue comes from, the iPhone is still king with 49.58% of revenue as of June 2026. Services comes in second with 28%. iPad, Mac, and Wearables/Home makes up the rest. So, that is 72% coming from hardware. Their profit margin is around 25%, FWIW.

I am skeptical the AppleTV 4k makes them much money on the hardware though, which I suspect is what you were getting at.

ncted

Yesterday at 3:46 PM

navychop said:
What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones

You should have looked in the APP STORE instead.

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navychop

Yesterday at 3:48 PM

Will do!

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