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My motorized Birdview unit with the "621" LNBF is feeding C-band to both 4D unit and to my Pansat 3500 via single cable. Ku band not hooked up yet. C-band Pansat FTA has been WONDERFUL! I've had to change polarities with the 4D, and want to get away from that, and use 4D only for positioner, thus making FTA easier in scanning and enjoying.

Last night, I decided to finally let the Pansat power the LNBF directly, bypassing the 4D's signal path completely, and directly wire the C-band portion of the 621 LNBF to the Pansat, thus controlling polarity from the FTA Pansat receiver, and no need to switch polarities via the 4D. (still using 4d for positioner until Gbox gets installed.) Seemed logical, and an easy "next step" in the ongoing Birdview conversion to FTA.

To my surprise, I was unable to get any signal on the Pansat when directly wired. Kept horizontal channel's signal tuned-in for the switchover, (Ion network feed) but got no signal when Pansat is fed directly by the C-band side of the LNBF. When put back on the power-passive splitter, with 4D powering the LNBF, all goes back to "normal" on the FTA!

Its as if there is no voltage on the LNBF output from the Pansat, but measured 18 volts on coax going to LNBF, and the picture is restored when returned to the 2-way power passive splitter, with power supplied by the 4DTV's LNB power supply.

Do I have a polarity issue needing re-scanning (somewhere I read that the 4D and FTA polarities are reversed)...or is there something else? The polarities as listed on various sites, I thought matched from 4d to FTA as I scanned them in. The 4D is on W1, transponder 300 when the system is functioning as a pair.

There is no option to turn the LNB power on or off in this model of Pansat in any menu I can find...and, would obviously need power in any case, so I think with the 18 volts, the absence of power is not the problem.

Does the Ku side of my LNBF need to be hooked up and the diseq be put in place on this receiver for C-band to work once it's stand alone? Doesn't make sense to me....

I'm "old hat" at C-band, new to FTA as we know it today and, to Ku.

Perhaps this info and the two pictures will help? The pictures are when fed through the 4D and splitter, not when direct to the LNBF.

I'm grateful for any ideas, and not afraid to sound like a rookie on this one!

Thanks again for a great site! (and especially the polite attitude shown by users!)
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on a side note I wish I could get PBS on W1 like that....on the 6 footer it barely crack 30-35 on the Pansat
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So, if a bird has both, C and Ku but is not entered into my screen's list, I'd manually input a name, parameters, etc....and such, scan, and do the usual routine.

And, it sounds like even in combined C and Ku birds, they are treated as separate satellites in menu, scanning, etc?

I see some say, "C/Ku" and some are separate in the Pansat memory as it was when I bought it used.
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Hooked up the LNBF jumper scanned appropriate satellite. I'll need to do some work, it's all "tile" but...at least its there! (see pic.) However, I'm more worried that I have an LNBF that is going to be unstable. As I tightened the KU feed down, the whole nut that's against the housing rotated, meaning the feed INSIDE the LNBF is loose, and could be intermittent.

So, I guess I'll have to order another 621...or...what's the other one everyone likes? the 741? And, if I do, based on the build, shouldn't alignment in general be the same or similar in terms of physical install? Now I have the chance to make a good choice! (and I'll still try to tweak this one, too.....maybe I can make it run until I get the new one!)
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So, if a bird has both, C and Ku but is not entered into my screen's list, I'd manually input a name, parameters, etc....and such, scan, and do the usual routine.
yes. Create a new sat with the KU parameters (10750 LNB LO and 22k ON) and smart scan. Since you're already on the sat you wouldnt need to enter a transponder to lock the signal

And, it sounds like even in combined C and Ku birds, they are treated as separate satellites in menu, scanning, etc?
yes

I see some say, "C/Ku" and some are separate in the Pansat memory as it was when I bought it used.

yep the sat info is probably really outdated. You should almost update the whole sat list....but I guess it depends on how far along you've been setting up the gbox
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Hooked up the LNBF jumper scanned appropriate satellite. I'll need to do some work, it's all "tile" but...at least its there! (see pic.)
tiling means low signal quality...so you're close but may be off by a smidge. I noticed the 1st pic didnt have as many H transponder items as I have picked up. I think there are 6 H transponders on W4

So, I guess I'll have to order another 621...or...what's the other one everyone likes? the 741? And, if I do, based on the build, shouldn't alignment in general be the same or similar in terms of physical install? Now I have the chance to make a good choice! (and I'll still try to tweak this one, too.....maybe I can make it run until I get the new one!)
I have worked with a 741 actually today and really liked it. Used it on my "ghetto rigged" unit (the one I wheel out of the garage) but went back to the C-Band only setup ;)
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on a side note I wish I could get PBS on W1 like that....on the 6 footer it barely crack 30-35 on the Pansat

I have to update this...When PBS announced the DVB feeds publicly they must have turned up the power as I now get it locked at a 65-67 quality signal :)
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Birdview and Ku band DO get along!

Thanks to the help and advice of Iceberg, and the "famous" 741 LNBF, My Birdview project now has Ku operating!

My 621 LNBF had a loose "f" on its chassis connector, and I suspected an intermittent connection, possibly contributing to the "tiling." (as shown in previous Pics)

I was set for a battle, when a 741 unit was supplied by a forum member here, having read a few threads about the issue of "focal length" for Ku on Birdview's pre-set C-band focal length as determined by the hexopod mount.

Installed the quality jumper from C to Ku with compression fittings for weather seal on the 741. Went to my C-band channels on W-1, and just by physically coming close to how the 621 was mounted, we had C-band back with similar quality as the old unit.

Onto Ku....a longshot at best. But, following instructions and going to AMC-4/W4 on the Ku side, I did a scan as shown. 41 transponders showed up! Then, going to the actual channels, for a "blind" alignment and on a rainy, cloudy night which, even on a birdview could reduce signal, I'm IMPRESSED.

After our radio station's weekend food drive is complete, will tweak a bit more and post results.

Anyone with a Birdview, and one of these modern LNBF's can retro fit with only honing out the middle of the original Scalar plate, and should get similar results. I'm sure we can pull a bit better signal with some time and work, but I'm very hapy with this "blind" alignment. Pun intended.

Can't wait to do some (more) scanning of Ku!

Then, its on to better understanding the
Pansat 3500 SD and, installing the G-box and making it talk to the whole system. I know, patience, patience...patience.
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very cool. Glad the different LNB works and you got KU. A little more tweaking and you'll have a heckuva system up and running
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
But.....if you like Tulsa King....looks like you would probably like this as well. I don't mind spin-offs as long as they don't involve a sassy niece who moves from the big city :rolleyes:
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I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Not alot of dish customers any more
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I'm not a big fan of the new layout, especially on my Apple TV. It used to look like the old Guide layout on the Hopper 3, but they changed parts of that, too.
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I really dislike change for the sake of change
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Jimbo

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
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Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
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No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
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Might be worth a watch when it comes out. Looks like typical big corp against the little guy movie BUT....there is a reason this plot type is so oft repeated, it draws audiences.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-f9OGsKHd4
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BTW, I noticed right after I posted this that someone else had already mentioned it....sorry for the duplicate thread. Still looking forward to seeing the movie.
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If you're going try to read / listen to the book (can't recommend the audio book enough) before this comes out, I'd avoid trailers.

Trailer below, spoiling it to make sure you read the above bold message first. The book / audio book are fantastic. Go into this blind if you can IMO!




Kind of disappointed at how much they show. A lot still to see, but man, some good reveals in the book that are just served up here.
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I've seen it twice. Can't recommend the audio book enough, Ray Porter's performance is amazing and there's so much more in the book than the movie.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
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Forgot to comment. I did watch when it first came out on MGM. I enjoyed it a lot. I think reading the book made it easier to watch. Several friends commented it was a little hard to follow.
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"astrophage". I read the book but didn't see the film yet.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
That's what I will be watching this weekend.🤗
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Kindle book on sale for $2.99 today at Amazon.
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.........there's so much more in the book than the movie.
I agree. That can go for pretty much any book vs movie. Back when I was single I would read any Stephen King or John Grisham book I could get my hands on. When you read a book you make up the scenes and characters in your mind.....the movie version always disappoints.
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
A big win for the Patriots, and they are now 3-2.

Browns lose a close one with... The Jets. That is a classic Browns loss (granted, any loss is a classic one it seems). 49'ers, Vikings, and Chiefs remain undefeated. The AFC north have a three way tie at 3-2 for second place. :eek:
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.
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Jalen Hurts out indefinitely as they treat and monitor a superficial blood clot in his leg.


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I had quit watching this show years ago because I ended up more annoyed than entertained. Well......I'm STILL more annoyed than entertained. I DO find it interesting to see how things work behind the scenes at many businesses. What annoys me is how utterly out of touch CEOs are with the companies they run. At the end of almost every episode the head of the company is amazed at how hard the employees have to work and many times have to work around impossible guidelines set forth from headquarters.

I found this one interesting because the new CEO had big plans for this company, Muscle Maker Grill, and it looked like the stores were all pretty busy. Recent history hasn't been good to this company however. I bet the covid lockdowns were the real killer.


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Dirty White Boy - Foreigner
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Tickle Me (Dirty, Dirty Feeling) - Elvis Presley
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Dirty Diana - Michael Jackson
Anony55
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Nebugeater
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
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a hopper 3 with 6 firesticks and or if you wanna spend even more money apple tv's
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Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.
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Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.


Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Anony55
Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.
dishstaller
Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.
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Last reply · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
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zipping right along here
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WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
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wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
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I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
OMG to freaking funny :biggrin
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I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

Not likely since that place closed down.