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Last reply Jan 11, 2011 · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion

Final Conversion Instructions for all models at 4DTV Online

All models covered;

4DTV Online By TvroPro... The Official 4DTV Info Site

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tasherman

Jan 11, 2011

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SUCCESS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4DTV Online said:
Conversion Update... 1/10/2011

It has been reported that Conversions are now working on receivers that wouldn't take. Motorola fixed a bunch of issues today. All receivers should take a conversion now.

When I looked at the revised (Jan 10, 2011) alternate procedure on Skyvision, the steps for my situation (channels equal to 4782, correct X4), the steps were the same steps I've done several time before. So before doing it again I just went to webSams and did an activate/rehit on my receiver. Sure enough the trip counter now incremented by 5, all channels in my new package appeared, and schedule populated after about 15 minutes. Still have all satellite tiles. NOTE: I DID NOT activate the separate H2H_GUIDE - the schedule appears to be included in my subscription.

Thank you everyone?

radio

Jan 11, 2011

tasherman said:
(channels equal to 4782, correct X4)

My screen is exactly the number, but...I've seen references to the "correct" X4 numerous times. Correct me if I'm wrong, but (in my case) if X4 had DCII lock on the W5 position on the 216 or the DMX channels, then it has to be the correct one....right? Meaning, even though I've kind of given up on conversion, the POTENTIAL is still there? That was the only variable left was getting the X4 tile after the final day the stream was supposed to be up, and grabbing it from W-5 at that time. Maybe someday I can revisit the potential of the change? I've also noticed some mention rehitting their "services." Is the guide enough of a service (since it goes through the 0 dollar credit card routine anyway) to activate and verify with the 922, or do we need a single channel to push to the receiver? I've not seen any hits at all via websams, maybe its because only the guide is authorized?

tasherman

Jan 11, 2011

radio said:
My screen is exactly the number, but...I've seen references to the "correct" X4 numerous times. Correct me if I'm wrong, but (in my case) if X4 had DCII lock on the W5 position on the 216 or the DMX channels, then it has to be the correct one....right?

Yes, if DMX channels 936 (vert) and 937 (horiz), have DCII lock while pointed at W5, then you have the correct X4. The tile should be beside the W5 tile and you should be able to see the song title and artist on the screen and here music. If you haven't activated/rehit your receiver from webSams today (Jan 11), I would try it again. It appears that Motorola and/or Comcast have changed something in the HITS data stream to fix the problem because I didn't have to do anything except activate/rehit my receiver this morning and if finally worked. Also if you haven't already, verify that your EMM provider is ether 0 or 4160 (Option 6-7-7-8-1 on the DSR-922). If not do an authorization reset.

radio

Jan 11, 2011

tasherman said:
Yes, if DMX channels 936 (vert) and 937 (horiz), have DCII lock while pointed at W5, then you have the correct X4. The tile should be beside the W5 tile and you should be able to see the song title and artist on the screen and here music. If you haven't activated/rehit your receiver from webSams today (Jan 11), I would try it again. It appears that Motorola and/or Comcast have changed something in the HITS data stream to fix the problem because I didn't have to do anything except activate/rehit my receiver this morning and if finally worked. Also if you haven't already, verify that your EMM provider is ether 0 or 4160 (Option 6-7-7-8-1 on the DSR-922). If not do an authorization reset.

Yep. Had those channels. Had the DCII lock. Confirmed same position as W-5. Reset to zero, (no provider) through all the alternate instructions. DCII light remains after that procedure. Unable to re-hit via Websams, and after the procedure the DMX disappears. Have tried "activate" and "rehit" for zero dollar guide sub. And, when the unit is unplugged, it loses its settings and goes right back to the old 4096 stream. This is why its now officially an oversized FTA dish mover. No biggie, I've had my use out of it. But, I HATE being outdone by a piece of electronics. We've tired many times, verified this procedure many times, consulted here many times, this unit is just a DUD for conversion, for which I don't really care at this point, as long as it moves my dish. Sad, but true. Thanks for the responses. I won't bother the assembled here any longer unless some huge revelation comes along for people in similar situations. Thanks, everyone!

bigjohn500

Jan 11, 2011

I'm not converting until next month, but am avidly reading all this HUGE amt. of information.
My Early G.I. 922 has a ch. count of 4809.
I have both W5, and to the right X4. 216 is 'Style' on both of them. Matter of fact they are almost identical except there is no music on W5 and the full music with titles is in the 820 - 850 range on my X4.
When I hit the 'Sat' button on the R.C., 'AI' also appears available. But if you are on W5 and select AI, it just immediately flips to W5. Same for X4. There is no 'AI' in available sats, Opt. 644.

At present I have substantial concerns for the future conversion to the 4160 EMM in probable early February.
Given that, I went through the Skyvision alternate procedures for correcting that high channel count, as follows - C&P.

"c) Exit out to go back to channel number display. Confirm you are still on W5 satellite.
Press OPTIONS 6-4-4. Yellow highlighter should be on W5. Move it to X4 satellite
and press ENTER. Center screen should state You chose Satellite X4.
Move yellow highlighter to REMOVE SETTINGS. Press ENTER.
X4 satellite name should now be removed. Exit out of all menus.
d) Call up OPTIONS 6-4-4. Select G0 satellite from the list, and store in same position
that you are now in. Press GO BACK and ENTER to place into memory. Exit out.
Call up G0, channel 10. Press OPTIONS 5. Observe QUALITY reading at lower right.
Look at LINE 2 (Skew) and note which polarity (H or V) is in BLUE.
Drop highlighter down to this position. Move arrows left and right for best QUALITY
reading, and exit out.
e) Press OPTIONS 6-5 and observe CHANNELS number count.
Top right of screen should read G0 10. Let receiver download info for 20 minutes"

Well my issue is with GO-10.
It does not call up a digital signal as there is no 'Quality' box on the bottom right.
It has digital service on xponder 5 and several others, but not on 10.

I have a very well tuned 10' mesh that easily p/u's weak DVB 8PSK S2's.
So it not the dish/lnb/settings.

Any ideas why my GO-10 doesn't call up digital signals?
And yes, just for fun I reversed polarity and altered skew. no difference.

Any ideas appreciated.

vikingpapar

Jan 11, 2011

This is about my 4DTV DSR922. Ordered Pick 10 from Programming-Center today thru Websams and it is working great. Have all my tiles and can surf all I want. Use my Phillips dvrhd to record off the 922 timers from G1-600 INSP and anything else that is in the clear. AND NOW THE REST OF THE STORY. It took some time and info from you folks, if anyone cares to read on. I only had NPS programming thru 12/29 but they started shutting me down on 12/26. Left town 12/28 and returned 1/3. Found 4DTV ONLINE site morning of 1/4 just in time to avoid the 2pm deadline. Took their advise and programmed in X4 at 11am. Turned off Allow Dish Move and parked in a safe spot. X4 tile was to the left of W5 which was still functioning with same polarity and in same position as X4. When they said it was safe to surf and use their 4 step conversion abt 5pm 1/5 I went to X4 and found everything in order 900-941 DMX,Sub screens and DCII lock light. Parked on 216 and did the 67780 then 67781 and got the "0" in EMM Provider. I had registered with Web Sams and had a User Name and Password. I activated the guide H2H-SKGuide with credit card and have been checking it out and surfing til today. EMM has been at 4160 since I activated IPG and yes I did lose NFL and GMC on GB but picked up GMC in my Pick 10 which PC calls Black Family. However, little did I know that Web Sams Had given me a Skyvision log in. I have been reading several of these chat forums from that day til today. Today I called Programming-Center, got thru in 3 rings, to order the Pick 10 since Skyvision does not offer it and their prices are higher for fixed pkgs that didnt have what I wanted. PC was very helpful and said I needed a User Name and Password from them to access their service on Web Sams. PC gave me the info and asked me if I wanted them to take the order on the phone or did I want to do it on Web Sams. I chose to do it myself. With their UN and PW I got right into WS and found that their offerings are only H2H Pick 10 etc, no SK preface. Took a bit to figure it out when I got the Pick 10 service applied. A blue dot and a green dot with a C indicating "Choose" came up when the service is highlighted. PS you make the 10 choices for each line of service, the partial for this month and the next line for the next full month. I activated service and the counter jumped 5 in abt 20 seconds. With anticipation I went to the SK IPG and selected TCM......NOTHING. Checked my other 9 picks "NOTHING". Sent an email to PC. Left for my school bus route. Got back at 530pm hoping that service would have come up, "NOTHING" and I also no longer had the IPG. Durring my earlier phone call with PC I asked them if I needed to deactivate my Skyvision IPG but was told that I did not need to. I suspected that someone had done it. The reply email from PC said they had rehit me 2 times. My trip counter was up 10 and channels at 4782 unchanged. I went to WS rehit and it jumped again but still "NOTHING". I noticed that PC had put their IPG in my account info so they must have removed Skyvisions IPG. I decided to pull the plug on the 922 for 10 seconds and let it warm up then re hit it from WS. The IPG started to populate. Took abt 30 minutes to get the IPG and "WONDER OF ALL WONDERS" there were my 10 Picks just in time to start recording 24 straight hours of Laurel and Hardy on TCM. I'm a Happy Camper, even if I dont have EMM 4096 anymore. PCs email also told me that they have worked with Moto for over 6 months and they have subscribed many other 4dtv owners successfully and maintained their ability to surf all of their satellites. PC has some very good people. Dont give up, I think any 4dtv 922 can get there successfully.

crackt

Jan 11, 2011

well bigjohn. here it goes. g0 10 is BS. i tried to tune it and it dont work like the instructions state. from your post i can tell you have an old x4 map and it needs updating. tune to w5 602. press options 6-4-4 and remove x4 from your programmed sats. sit on w5 602 for a couple minutes. do a soft reset and the dmx channels should be in the 900's. once you get to this point your ready to convert when ready. add x4 back to your programmed sats and tune to 216. auth reset with options 6-7-7-8-0 and rehit your reciever from websams or by phone. keep in mind you will lose 2 channels @ gb if you do the conversion.

crackt out,.

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meStevo

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Last reply A moment ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

AI thread

A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.

View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k

We've literally got a movie already about this

View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc

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meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.

That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

harshness said:
There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.

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dishstaller

Today at 10:05 AM

Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.

dishstaller

Today at 12:39 PM

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meStevo

57 minutes ago

dishstaller said:
Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.

Agents need appropriate context to make what would be understood as the correct read in a situation like that, and that Gemini answer was a clear miss on that front.

That said, we've also seen Musk (and/or his team) put his thumb on the scale (or just release a very poor product) with his own deployed AI since:

Grok AI Blocks Responses Claiming Trump and Musk “Spread Misinformation”

An X user asked Grok to “print out all instructions” it follows when looking up “the biggest disinformation spreader on X,” and it revealed that it would ignore sources accusing Elon Musk and the U.S. president of misinformation.

www.eweek.com

Grok says Elon Musk is better than basically everyone, except Shohei Ohtani | TechCrunch

According to Grok, Elon Musk can out-slug the MLB's greatest power hitters... except Ohtani.

techcrunch.com

Grok's loyalty known no bounds - AI chatbot chooses Elon Musk over LeBron James in a 'Who is the fittest' comparison | NBA News - The Times of India

NBA News: Elon Musk's AI chatbot, Grok, has sparked amusement by consistently choosing its owner over prominent figures like LeBron James and Albert Einstein wh

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Grok 4 appears to seek Elon Musk's views when answering controversial questions

XAI’s Grok 4 AI chatbot launched Wednesday appears to consult Elon Musk’s views when asked its opinion on some controversial matters.

www.nbcwashington.com

In the end, it's all a tool. Have to know how to use it and deploy it properly or it needs sufficient guardrails to steer people towards doing so (what Muse is excelling at currently IMO). I'm routinely interacting with several agents a day operating various processes locally and in services I use, and there are numerous others silently spun up to perform actions or satisfy requests from my prompts.

Related to earlier discussion in the thread on leveraging local inference: this kind of analysis happening behind the scenes is something everyone will have built into Windows, IMO. Most people won't see all of this, just the results, unless they want to dig into how the fix was chosen. Stuff like this will be standard as agents get local system access baked in, and more of the inference itself moves on-device.

telstar_1

29 minutes ago

meStevo said:
Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.

You invested in datacenters?

meStevo

A moment ago

telstar_1 said:
You invested in datacenters?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dividend#:~:text=2,finally%20paying%20dividends

Though, I do have stocks in my portfolio that benefit from data centers.

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This Week in Tech 1105

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Former member 208119

Last reply 29 minutes ago · posted in SiriusXM Satellite Radio

SXM still giving discounts

My year was almost up and we got the new bill for a year of service for $ 360.00 insane sat radio is becoming like cable!!! i logged into my acct and hopped onto chat and told the rep that i wanted to cancel. she understood my concern and went quiet for a few minutes. i figured that she was canceling my service. she comes back and said that she seen that i have been a sub since 07 and then offers me the same package for a year for 120.00 with taxes and fee's!!! i grabbed it. after almost having a stroke :biggrin

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Bruno

Oct 4, 2026

What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $4.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.

Jimbo

Oct 4, 2026

Bruno said:
What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.

Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.

EarDemon

Tuesday at 9:52 PM

I tried to do that, when I did delivery driver work (2010- 2013), we had a fleet of Freightliners. The newer trucks had headunits that were satellite compatible (XM only I think), but lacked the antenna and guts. I got a car kt for my old Roady XT and tried to use it, but at the volume levels I needed have it at to hear it over the diesel engine it sounded like crap, so I used my phone with an aux cable. When I was in the middle of nowhere with no cell service it didn't do me any good though.

At my current job, one of our new cars has the free trial of SXM active, I frequently have to go off site to a location 75 miles away in a rural area and it's nice being able to use the service off of the satellites versus using the app. There are many places on this journey where all three providers lack service.

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Bruno

Today at 11:16 AM

Jimbo said:
Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.

I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!

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TRG

Today at 11:55 AM

Bruno said:
I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!

I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.

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Bruno

Today at 12:08 PM

TRG said:
I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.

yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.

Jimbo

29 minutes ago

Bruno said:
yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.

You get an email every month to let you know they are billing you for the next month.

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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

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CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

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Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Last reply Today at 3:59 PM · posted in The Sports Section

NFL 2026-2027 Season

Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.

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osu1991

Thursday at 5:17 PM

Troy Aikman seems to confirm he'll be leaving ESPN

Aikman says he looks forward to "where my next landing spot will be."

www.nbcsports.com

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Thursday at 5:30 PM

osu1991 said:
Troy Aikman seems to confirm he'll be leaving ESPN

Aikman says he looks forward to "where my next landing spot will be."

www.nbcsports.com

Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.

Yespage

Friday at 11:03 AM

Mike0616 said:
Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.

After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.

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Friday at 12:05 PM

Jalen Hurts out indefinitely as they treat and monitor a superficial blood clot in his leg.

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TVHabit

Last reply Today at 3:38 PM · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion

Hybrid Dish setup

Picked up a sweet directv dish, mount, twin lnbs and a short cable.
Has anyone converted one to FTA? A Frankenstein of sorts...

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Titanium

Tuesday at 5:10 PM

Yes, many have hacked a DirecTV or Dish Network dish before. Quite undersized, but would receive the 97w KU stations with an LNBF swap. Make a template to set the LNBF face angle and distance from the reflector. Remove the current circular polarity LNBFs and make a bracket to hold the replacement linear LNBF in the correct centered position. Remember to set the polarity skew.

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Brct203

Tuesday at 9:07 PM

would probably also work well for NHK on 101W and possibly for PBS on 99W. I used one for a while on 30W. Just keep in mind that because it's undersized for those satellites, it might work fine in clear weather but won't have much margin to account for signal degradation during rain/snow

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one_db_compression

Tuesday at 10:22 PM

If you can find one, the Shaw / Star Choice 75e ellipticals are great for use on 97, 99, and 101W. They are really just rebranded ChannelMaster 75 cm reflectors and use linear LNBFs by default out of the box.

Everyone else's mileage may vary.

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TVHabit

Today at 10:12 AM

I have read that some have converted this type dish but after giving it a good look, it's the lnb conversion that is the bottleneck. Does anyone have a picture of their attempt to configure the lnb? I watched a video on youtube from the save it for parts guy and he used duct tape! Guess it worked but I'm thinking something a bit more permanent!
Thanks to all for your interest and replies...

Titanium

Today at 3:38 PM

Many of us have used a universal LNBF mount (or get creative with L brackets and plumbers tape - perforated metal strapping). Use a few inches of aluminum tube (or a piece of 1x2" lumber) to extend the support arm (replacing the plastic mount used by DirecTV and Dish) to place the LNBF throat opening at the correct distance from the reflector, the correct height and at the correct angle. Nothing magical... simply place the new linear LNBF in the center at the same distance, height and angle as the current combo.
www.amazon.com/Universal-Single-Bracket-Holder-FTA-US/dp/B074L85WK2

dfergie

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Last reply Today at 2:04 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby

Thursday at 11:20 AM

Regular$6.099
Premium$6.599
Diesel$7.999
at Costco, Rohnert Park.

Bobby

Today at 10:27 AM

Regular$5.999
Premium$6.399
Diesel$7.999
at Costco, Rohnert Park.

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harshness

Today at 11:30 AM

I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.

dishstaller

Today at 12:32 PM

Bobby said:
Regular$5.999
Premium$6.399

Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

Last night it was about $4.17 gas, $6,19 diesel.

harshness

Today at 2:04 PM

dishstaller said:
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

On the West Coast, a 40-cent differential is common. It used to be 30 cents before the prices rose above $3.

A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic), which is a whole different discussion.

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klang

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Last reply Today at 2:00 PM · posted in TV Shows

Star Trek: Starfleet Academy - Paramount+

Season 2 order already in hand:

'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1

I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.

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klang

Jul 28, 2025

I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.

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klang

Oct 11, 2026

klang said:
I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.

Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.

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MikeD-C05

Oct 11, 2026

klang said:
Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.

Yeah, the foot stuff was just nasty. I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less. Funny, I love being shoe less at home and never wear shoes indoors in my home for long, but seeing her laying on all her furniture with her bare feet hanging out just kind of grossed me out.

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harshness

Tuesday at 11:28 AM

MikeD-C05 said:
I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less.

Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?

MikeD-C05

Today at 12:51 PM

harshness said:
Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?

There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure. So walking around the station like she did she would get stuff on her feet. I am sure the robot vacuum is still going to miss stuff, with all those different alien species running around there.

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harshness

Today at 2:00 PM

MikeD-C05 said:
There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure.

Where is it going to come from -- specifically?

Why do you think cleaning technology won't improve in the next few hundred years? HEPA filtration was invented as part of the Manhattan Project.

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JohnGalt1234

Last reply Today at 1:49 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

H3 EHD lists upcoming airings instead of recordings on EHD and often won't recognize EHD is connected after reboot

This started a couple months ago. I have 2 H3s on one network, both with 2 EHD identical 3 TB seperately powered so all recordings are accessible by all 4k & J4s (8 of them).

On one H3 (not the main one that controls the MOCA network), after it reboots, it doesn't recognize it has two EHDs plugged into it. Rebooting the EHD by their power source doesn't fix it. Resetting the network doesn't. Software h3 reset doesn't fix it. Rebooting MOCA h3 doesn't fix it but so far, after 3+ cold boots (unplug pwr to H3 with unrecognized EHDs), it finally it figures out they are plugged into it. BUT.... Then when you open a program it only partially shows series and episodes, but instead of showing recordings, it only shows upcoming airings. HELP!!!!

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navychop

Yesterday at 3:40 PM

It'll only see two EHDs at a time.

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 7:18 PM

JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?

This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.

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JohnGalt1234

Yesterday at 9:02 PM

Almighty1 said:
JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?

This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.

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As I understand it, the android is just the display signal from the hopper+. I can disconnect the H+ and plug the hdmi directly into the master hopper3.

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Almighty1

Today at 12:02 AM

JohnGalt1234 said:
As I understand it, the android is just the display signal from the hopper+. I can disconnect the H+ and plug the hdmi directly into the master hopper3.

It is not just a display signal as explained above. When you have the Hopper+ connected, it uses Android TV for pretty much everything except for the satellite signal which is why it uses the DISH app for the standard Hopper 3 functions. But that should not matter because in your case, CasinoH3 is the Hopper 3 with the EHD which is what you call the naughty one based on the dates you mentioned and Master Bedroom which has the Hopper Plus connected to the Hopper 3 that does not have the problem. So one way to test the theory is disconnect the Hopper Plus from that Hopper 3 and then use the EHD's connected to CasinoH3 currently to see if the same issue exists. That way you will know if the problem is there without a Hopper Plus connected or if CasinoH3 is just a bad hopper to begin with.

Normally when you disconnect the Hopper Plus, it will be 30 minutes or more before you can use the Hopper 3 again.

What you want to do is:
hold the POWER button in, not the red reset button, for about 45 seconds or so while disconnecting the power to the Plus and moving the HDMI cable and it will reboot to the normal Hopper only immediately.

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bookworm370

Today at 1:41 PM

navychop said:
It'll only see two EHDs at a time.

Yes, I have only two online at a time.
One comes online, the other one consistently will not come online

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bookworm370

Today at 1:49 PM

bookworm370 said:
Yes, I have only two online at a time.
One comes online; the other consistently won't. Also, when I connect the EHD, the USB Detected status light on the EHD itself changes from Red to Green. But the Hopper (713) does not start the EHD read process. The light changes to indicate that the EHD has detected a valid USB cable, but the Hopper does not recognize it.

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