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Scott Greczkowski

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Last reply Nov 13, 2012 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Cheers Ruling on AutoHop, PrimeTime Anytime

DISH Cheers Ruling on AutoHop, PrimeTime Anytime

TV viewers' right to skip commercials upheld

Decision viewed as victory for "common sense and customer choice"

ENGLEWOOD, Colo.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Judge Dolly Gee of the United States District Court, Central District of California, today rejected Fox Broadcasting Company's efforts to bar DISH subscribers from use of the PrimeTime AnytimeTM and AutoHopTM features found on the pay-TV provider's HopperTM Whole-Home DVR.

The PrimeTime Anytime feature allows users to easily record the primetime shows on up to each of the four broadcast networks (ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox) and save them for up to eight days. The AutoHop feature allows users to play back certain PrimeTime Anytime recordings commercial-free, starting the day after broadcast.

A copy of the ruling denying Fox's motion for preliminary injunction has not been publicly circulated because the Court is first giving the parties an opportunity to redact confidential trade information. The ruling relates to case CV 12-04529 DMG.

In the decision, Judge Gee found it likely that:

Contrary to Fox's assertion, DISH customers using PrimeTime Anytime cannot be liable for copyright infringement;
Copies made using the Hopper's PrimeTime Anytime feature do not infringe on Fox's exclusive reproduction rights under federal copyright laws;
Neither the AutoHop commercial-skipping feature nor the PrimeTime Anytime feature constitutes unauthorized distribution under federal copyright laws;
AutoHop does not violate the Video-On-Demand provisions of the 2010 retransmission consent agreement (RTC) between Fox and DISH;
Copies of Fox programs that DISH makes as part of its "quality assurance" of AutoHop's functionality likely violate the RTC between DISH and Fox, and likely violate Fox's exclusive reproduction right under federal copyright laws, but;
Fox has not established that is has suffered irreparable harm as a result of DISH's making the quality assurance copies.
The ruling enables the Company to continue to offer its subscribers the Hopper Whole-Home DVR with both the PrimeTime Anytime and AutoHop features. DISH is reviewing today's decision and assessing its impact, especially as it relates to the quality assurance process.

The following statement can be attributed to DISH Executive Vice President and General Counsel, R. Stanton Dodge:

"Today's ruling is a victory for common sense and customer choice.

"DISH is gratified that the Court has sided with consumer choice and control by rejecting Fox's efforts to deny our customers access to PrimeTime Anytime and AutoHop -- key features of the Hopper Whole-Home DVR.

"The ruling underscores the U.S. Supreme Court's 'Betamax' decision, with the court confirming a consumer's right to enjoy television as they want, when they want, including the reasonable right to skip commercials, if they so choose.

"We look forward to vigorously defending AutoHop and Primetime Anytime, and the choice and control those features deliver our subscribers."

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Tampa8

Nov 13, 2012

Seems to center on the Quality Assurance copy Dish makes. It may be an infringement according to the Judge, BUT may not actually cause harm. Problem comes in that it is compared to HULU for example, that has a copy and distributes it for a fee paid to FOX.
If the Judge decides that copy is unfair use it seems the remedy is a fee for that copy Dish now has and distributes. If Dish did not make a copy, and could use the technology without it, sounds like they would not be infringing.
That seems like a narrow interpretation. Yes they have now have a copy like HULU, but Dish already pays FOX to distribute the material to receivers. Does that intermediate step mean FOX (and the other networks of course) should get remuneration for that copy?

Hall

Nov 13, 2012

Tampa8 said:
...but Dish already pays FOX to distribute the material to receivers. Does that intermediate step mean FOX (and the other networks of course) should get remuneration for that copy?

The judge also mentions that the user doesn't specifically "ask" for copies/recordings. I see a couple things for Dish.... 1) Make the user manually select what networks and what nights to record, i.e. record FOX on Monday, Thursday, Sunday; ABC on Tuesday and Wednesday; and so on. 2) Dish should remind FOX (and all networks) that they pay for programming that effectively covers ALL customers, i.e. FOX collects fees based on 13 million Dish customers and it's presumed ALL customers watch EVERY show that FOX broadcasts. Dish should ask if they'd like to pay the same per-user fee (take the total paid today divided by # of Dish customers) and multiply it by the actual number of viewers ! FOX won't like that option !

mike123abc

Nov 13, 2012

It looks like Dish addressed some of the concerns with their PTAT update where they moved the recordings to user controlled space, and allowed the user to select networks and nights. But, it could be possible that Dish could be found liable for damages during the period of time that they controlled the recording space and what was recorded.

Scott Greczkowski

Nov 13, 2012

mike123abc said:
It looks like Dish addressed some of the concerns with their PTAT update where they moved the recordings to user controlled space, and allowed the user to select networks and nights. But, it could be possible that Dish could be found liable for damages during the period of time that they controlled the recording space and what was recorded.

Thats how I read it as well, but the question then becomes how much did FOX loose by having the DISH customer watch off a seperate hidden partition rather then watching it from the users partition.

In my estimates that number would be nothing.

meStevo

Nov 13, 2012

Hall said:
The judge also mentions that the user doesn't specifically "ask" for copies/recordings. I see a couple things for Dish.... 1) Make the user manually select what networks and what nights to record, i.e. record FOX on Monday, Thursday, Sunday; ABC on Tuesday and Wednesday; and so on. 2) Dish should remind FOX (and all networks) that they pay for programming that effectively covers ALL customers, i.e. FOX collects fees based on 13 million Dish customers and it's presumed ALL customers watch EVERY show that FOX broadcasts. Dish should ask if they'd like to pay the same per-user fee (take the total paid today divided by # of Dish customers) and multiply it by the actual number of viewers ! FOX won't like that option !

Do you think their contact is 'do whatever you want with our programming' ? That seems to be what you are suggesting.

To me, it appears Dish may have to pay to copy, ala licenses that Hulu and others have.

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Hall

Nov 13, 2012

How do you get that as my interpretation ? Dish needs to, and has been, making PTAT and AutoHop less and less "automatic" and is purposely making the user set things up. Blindly recording ALL networks and ALL programming from 8pm to 11pm was foolish on Dish's part, at least if done automatically. By making the user the manually and individually select the channel (network) and what night puts more emphasis on "the viewer recorded the programming".

meStevo

Nov 13, 2012

Hall said:
How do you get that as my interpretation ? Dish needs to, and has been, making PTAT and AutoHop less and less "automatic" and is purposely making the user set things up. Blindly recording ALL networks and ALL programming from 8pm to 11pm was foolish on Dish's part, at least if done automatically. By making the user the manually and individually select the channel (network) and what night puts more emphasis on "the viewer recorded the programming".

Your entire diatribe about their contract terms that you pretended isn't there when writing the reply above is how.

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cosmo_kramer

Nov 13, 2012

Based on prior posts I read here, I was under the impression that PTAT recordings saved to the user partition are technically one copy, with two different pointers pointing to that one recording.

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meStevo

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Last reply 12 minutes ago · posted in The Sports Section

NFL 2026-2027 Season

Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 6:19 PM

I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:

Colts relieve general manager Chris Ballard of his duties

Colts Owner & CEO Carlie Irsay-Gordon released a statement Monday announcing the news.

www.colts.com

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rvvaquero

Yesterday at 9:00 PM

Foxbat said:
I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:

Colts relieve general manager Chris Ballard of his duties

Colts Owner & CEO Carlie Irsay-Gordon released a statement Monday announcing the news.

www.colts.com

Be nice to see a Cowboy headline like that.

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Mike0616

Yesterday at 9:35 PM

Foxbat said:
I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:

Colts relieve general manager Chris Ballard of his duties

Colts Owner & CEO Carlie Irsay-Gordon released a statement Monday announcing the news.

www.colts.com

Can we expect to see a new coach if we say "pretty please?"

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 11:25 PM

Jeeez, Week 6, no lead is safe…

b4pjoe

12 minutes ago

rvvaquero said:
Be nice to see a Cowboy headline like that.

Yes the Cowboys owner needs to fire the general manager (himself), co-owner, Chief Operating Officer (COO), Executive Vice President, Director of Player Personnel, and President of AT&T Stadium (his son) and then he should jump off of a cliff. Only then can they recover.

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Scott Greczkowski

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Last reply 35 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

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Therm

Last reply 48 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Am I the only one that hates what Dish did to their mobile app?

I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?

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dishdude

Friday at 2:51 PM

I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.

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Therm

Friday at 3:39 PM

dishdude said:
I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.

Yes a lot cleaner, glossier, and less functional. Someone trying to justify why they are making a big salary. "See look shiny"

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navychop

Friday at 3:53 PM

"Big salary." Charlie. "?Big?"

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Tampa8

Friday at 4:01 PM

Seems in some ways better. Nicer layout, as others said maybe cleaner. Moving ahead in the guide is better.

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scoob83

48 minutes ago

Therm said:
I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?

I think most are using it on a firestick or other device as an extra receiver, rather than their phone. Just a guess based on how I use it. 99% thru my firestick, 1% phone.

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dfergie

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Last reply Today at 7:35 AM · posted in TV Shows

Stargate SG-1 Discussion

Stargate SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis renewed

Monday - August 21, 2006 | by Darren Sumner

The future of Stargate is in question today, as SCI FI Channel has cancelled the long-running Stargate SG-1, Multichannel News reported today and a GateWorld source has confirmed. The news regrettably follows the airing of the show's milestone two-hundredth episode on Friday.

Stargate Atlantis, meanwhile, has been renewed for a fourth season, with the network hoping to see that the spin-off series can stand alone, according to a source.
Source Gateworld

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reubenray

Yesterday at 1:30 PM

I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?

osu1991

Yesterday at 2:00 PM

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long_time_Dish

Yesterday at 3:47 PM

reubenray said:
I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?

Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.

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reubenray

Yesterday at 3:54 PM

long_time_Dish said:
Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.

Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.

long_time_Dish

Yesterday at 8:36 PM

reubenray said:
Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.

If I understand your question, O'Neill had the Ancient's knowledge in the "Lost City" two-part episode. That was when Anubis attacked Earth and there was a big battle over Antarctica.

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reubenray

Today at 7:35 AM

long_time_Dish said:
If I understand your question, O'Neill had the Ancient's knowledge in the "Lost City" two-part episode. That was when Anubis attacked Earth and there was a big battle over Antarctica.

Those are the episodes I am looking for. They are referred to a lot in the episodes I just recently watched.

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TFLEV

Today at 7:22 AM · posted in TFLEV

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TVHabit

Last reply Today at 6:42 AM · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion

Hybrid Dish setup

Picked up a sweet directv dish, mount, twin lnbs and a short cable.
Has anyone converted one to FTA? A Frankenstein of sorts...

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Brct203

Oct 13, 2026

would probably also work well for NHK on 101W and possibly for PBS on 99W. I used one for a while on 30W. Just keep in mind that because it's undersized for those satellites, it might work fine in clear weather but won't have much margin to account for signal degradation during rain/snow

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one_db_compression

Oct 13, 2026

If you can find one, the Shaw / Star Choice 75e ellipticals are great for use on 97, 99, and 101W. They are really just rebranded ChannelMaster 75 cm reflectors and use linear LNBFs by default out of the box.

Everyone else's mileage may vary.

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TVHabit

Sunday at 10:12 AM

I have read that some have converted this type dish but after giving it a good look, it's the lnb conversion that is the bottleneck. Does anyone have a picture of their attempt to configure the lnb? I watched a video on youtube from the save it for parts guy and he used duct tape! Guess it worked but I'm thinking something a bit more permanent!
Thanks to all for your interest and replies...

Titanium

Sunday at 3:38 PM

Many of us have used a universal LNBF mount (or get creative with L brackets and plumbers tape - perforated metal strapping). Use a few inches of aluminum tube (or a piece of 1x2" lumber) to extend the support arm (replacing the plastic mount used by DirecTV and Dish) to place the LNBF throat opening at the correct distance from the reflector, the correct height and at the correct angle. Nothing magical... simply place the new linear LNBF in the center at the same distance, height and angle as the current combo.
www.amazon.com/Universal-Single-Bracket-Holder-FTA-US/dp/B074L85WK2

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k4otl

Today at 6:42 AM

To add: 101W Ku seems to be (one of if not the) strongest for me, and if I only had Ku I definitely want 101W for the music mux, it's robust FEC and strong signal help a lot. I've thought about using a used Dish/DirectTV dish at my Dads to supplement his OTA (mainly for my benefit when I visit

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Peter Parker

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Last reply Yesterday at 10:34 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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naptime

Sunday at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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jsmit86

Yesterday at 9:57 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

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long_time_Dish

Yesterday at 3:57 PM

jsmit86 said:
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 4:07 PM

jsmit86 said:
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.