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charlesrshell said:

Wonder how the Direct TV / ATT merge will effect Dish! Will Dish survive or have to merge with another company to be on the same level to compete? What do you think?

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Dish will survive but as for what D* customers had enjoyed over the years might soon experience the worst csr service and possibly programming to go down hill. I used to be a ATT U-Verse customer for their internet & telephone service but left due to their very poor csr and product service. I feel sorry for the D* customers. If this ATT buy-out goes through.

I would like to see Dish merge with Verizon if they have to merge with someone. I like the way Verizon is running fiber direct to house in some areas. I think our country needs to get moving to fiber everywhere.

charlesrshell said:

I would like to see Dish merge with Verizon if they have to merge with someone. I like the way Verizon is running fiber direct to house in some areas. I think our country needs to get moving to fiber everywhere.

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Verizon is done expanding, and Dish is moving in the opposite direction of wired services, so I would say it's a non starter for them to merge. I can see Dish moving to having online TV using wireless connections.
If you mean a buyout, I suppose anything it possible. Probably the biggest rivalry is At&t and Verizon wireless, but not TV services. If Verizon can up At&t's wireless service they would do it, but I'm not sure being with Dish does that, unless the spectrum Dish has would. I'd say Dish/Echostar is on the path to be the buyer, rather than be bought.

http://www.fiercetelecom.com/story/verizons-mcadam-new-fios-markets-are-not-cards/2013-12-09

My gut tells me Charlie is grinning from ear to ear right now. After this deal, if passed, AT&T won't have the funds they need (and want, which is why this does not make sense to me) for more spectrum, which is what they would need more than ever if they are going to expand their video business. Now, AT&T is in the sat business. Whoopie. One saturated company buying another saturated company. And then there's Charlie, saying, "you need spectrum? I've got spectrum. How bad do you want it? Oh, too bad, you just got outbid!" And then he's thinking, how many AT&T haters will be heading to Dish? Bigger grin.

Tampa8 said:

Verizon is done expanding, and Dish is moving in the opposite direction of wired services, so I would say it's a non starter for them to merge. I can see Dish moving to having online TV using wireless connections.
If you mean a buyout, I suppose anything it possible. Probably the biggest rivalry is At&t and Verizon wireless, but not TV services. If Verizon can up At&t's wireless service they would do it, but I'm not sure being with Dish does that, unless the spectrum Dish has would. I'd say Dish/Echostar is on the path to be the buyer, rather than be bought.

http://www.fiercetelecom.com/story/verizons-mcadam-new-fios-markets-are-not-cards/2013-12-09

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Thanks for the link. Really sad, I was hoping Verizon's FiOS would generate other companies to pursue FiOS too, all the way to the house.

charlesrshell said:

Thanks for the link. Really sad, I was hoping Verizon's FiOS would generate other companies to pursue FiOS too, all the way to the house.

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I don't understand why Verizon does not act like other utilities: Builder, you put in fiber in the neighborhood you're building, to each house and to one central point. And we'll hang our box on the outside, making everything ready for switching on.

Saves V money and time, costs the builder a little but not so much since he's err, already building and digging and everything is open. No pesky lawns. And the builder gets to advertise Fios ready. Surely that's of some value.

Yes, some local "authority" will have to be appeased, but that has to be done any way.


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According to CBS Marketwatch via WSJ:

AT&T Deal Puts Pressure on Dish
By: Ryan Knutson

Big communications companies are again starting to pair up, putting pressure on the ones that don't have a partner.

In the latest move, AT&T Inc. T -0.92% agreed to buy DirecTV DTV -1.73% for $49 billion to create a pay-TV and wireless-phone giant with about $160 billion in combined revenue and well over 120 million subscribers for various services.

The deal follows Comcast Corp.'s CMCSA +1.42% $45 billion agreement to buy Time Warner Cable Inc. TWC +1.38% , a merger that would create a huge broadband Internet provider and which forced executives across the telecommunications and technology industries to develop strategies for how to bulk up to compete.

Sprint Corp. S +1.33% , meanwhile, has continued forging ahead on a possible bid for smaller rival T-Mobile US Inc TMUS +2.39% .

Notably absent from the latest round of deal making is Charlie Ergen's Dish Network Corp. DISH -0.78% , a satellite broadcaster, like DirecTV, but with its eyes on the wireless industry.

The AT&T deal kills two attractive options for Dish: an acquisition by AT&T and a merger with DirecTV. Many people on Wall Street thought a better deal for AT&T would have been to buy Dish, which has amassed valuable wireless airwaves, something carriers need to meet the growing demand from phones and tablets for streaming video and other data.

Now, Dish's options have been severely trimmed. The government requires the company to begin putting its spectrum to use within the next few years, and Dish lacks a network or a partner with which to do that efficiently.
Eyes also are turning to Verizon Communications Inc. VZ +0.31% , which is bigger than AT&T in the wireless business but is still developing its video strategy. Verizon completed its $130 billion acquisition of U.K.-based Vodafone PLC's 45% stake in their wireless joint venture this year, and the U.S. carrier said it is focused on integrating its wireless and wireline businesses and isn't looking for major deals.

An expanded version of this article appears on WSJ.

My comments:

As a sub, I like the idea that Dish is staying like it is. I think Dish should wait to see what happens with this partnership. I do not always like the bundling aspect; sometimes it seems like it is more difficult to get rid of one service when you have multiple services with one provider. It could also work the other way around in that it may be difficult to get one service without another or more than just another service. However, I may be wrong from the business aspect. I do not know how customers will react. I noticed around here that Uverse really is not that great in terms of speed from friends and relatives who have it. Uverse actually is not available in our area according to the site even though we live close to them. We have local cable Internet that works better and faster. Sadly, after taking a Speedtest, the national grade was a D (33%) while the global grade was a C+ (55%). I can only imagine what their results would be...

MSoper72 said:

Dish will survive but as for what D* customers had enjoyed over the years might soon experience the worst csr service and possibly programming to go down hill. I used to be a ATT U-Verse customer for their internet & telephone service but left due to their very poor csr and product service. I feel sorry for the D* customers. If this ATT buy-out goes through.

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I have had AT&T Wireless for over 20 years, back when it was called Bell South Mobility here. I have always gotten excellent service from them. I have never had a landline with AT&T/Bell South because where I live was always GTE (now CenturyLink) so I can't speak as to how that part of their service is. But, the mobility part has always been bee good.

KAB said:

My gut tells me Charlie is grinning from ear to ear right now. After this deal, if passed, AT&T won't have the funds they need (and want, which is why this does not make sense to me) for more spectrum, which is what they would need more than ever if they are going to expand their video business. Now, AT&T is in the sat business. Whoopie. One saturated company buying another saturated company. And then there's Charlie, saying, "you need spectrum? I've got spectrum. How bad do you want it? Oh, too bad, you just got outbid!" And then he's thinking, how many AT&T haters will be heading to Dish? Bigger grin.

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AT&T will have no shortage of funds to buy more spectrum with, this is mostly a stock deal.

mike123abc said:

AT&T will have no shortage of funds to buy more spectrum with, this is mostly a stock deal.

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Yeh, I now see.