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. Raine
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Last reply · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion
I just picked up a 12' dish and I'm going to set that up in place of my 9' Radio Shack dish. I'm going to take the RS dish and set it up for my parents next door and it looks like the cable run will be between 200' - 250'. Is this too far?
I'll be using a V Box 7 to move the dish.

I could put the V Box in the new garage and cut the length of the motor wires down to about 50' but the coax will have to be the 200' to 250' still. Correct gauge wire of course, I'm not going to use cheap crappy wire and I'm thinking RG11 for the coax.

I can't really move the dish closer because my parents live down a hill from me and have tons of trees in the LOS almost all the way across the arc, it'd be a major pain to get it any closer.
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ancient
There actually is another way that is more work but has additional benefits.

The first thing is to get you and your parents on a common shared LAN. You can do this by running a fiber optic cable from your house to theirs. This may initially be a bit more expensive than RG-11, but not that much more once you figure in all the costs, including the costs of lightning/ground loop protection. You can use this to share Internet or just to send video, that is up to you. If you only use it for video then only the

Then you set up some kind of home theater PC for your parents, preferably running Kodi/XBMC. This could be something as simple as a Raspberry Pi running RaspBMC or XBian or a similar program, but you are likely going to want something capable of handling higher bitrate streams, and the Raspberry Pi just doesn't quite cut it. By the way, I do NOT personally recommend OpenELEC unless you have no Linux experience at all, because the inability to do common Linux tasks will frustrate you to no end. Something like a CuBox-i might work but I can't say for sure. If they will be trying to watch any high bitrate feeds then something even more hefty in the video processing department might be needed. I really haven't fully researched the newer devices so can't say much more about it.

And then you need a backend system, and for that you can either use something like a TBS MOI+ with an attached SATA drive, using the included TVHeadEnd software, or you can build your own backend. If you go that route I'd suggest running Debian or Ubuntu, and a TBS tuner card, unless you are a true Linux guru, in which case there are many more options open to you - not necessarily better ones, just additional ones. And use the latest TVHeadEnd unstable release for the backend software - unfortunately the latest stable version is rather dated and apparently does not contain support for certain aspects of DVB-S/S2 reception. Whether you buy something like a MOI+ or build your own, the MOI+ article I linked to gives some installation tips for TVHeadEnd that may prove useful. If you do build your own backend and use a TBS card, you will have to install the TBS drivers which does involve a compilation step, but the instructions are pretty clear.

Then you put the backend inside your home, and run your coax from your satellite LNB to the tuner card. Then you use XBMC to watch the signal live, or schedule recordings (you can also schedule recordings via the TVHeadEnd web-based interface) which can be watched later. If you and your parents want to watch the same show, just agree that neither of you will delete it until you know the other has watched it. The obvious advantage is that both you and your parents can watch the live or recorded programs from any room in your home where you have a computer, which could be a home theater PC connected to a HDTV set, as mentioned above. It's just a much more flexible solution.

Plus, you avoid the very real issue of running copper between homes that may be at different ground potentials. If you decide to go that route, please use a very good lightning protector at each end; the article I linked to on running fiber explains why, and one of the comments in that article expands on it a bit more. And on that fiber run you can connect to gigabit Ethernet at both ends and use the full speed of the connection, and unless you physically damage the fiber or one of the fiber converters fails, it will probably work well past the point where the technology is obsolete. And once the satellite signal hits the tuner in your home, there will be no additional degradation of signal between your home and your parents' home.

There also the option to use a tuner card with multiple inputs, and/or LNBs with dual outputs, if you think you and your parents might want to watch different transponders off the same satellite at the same time.

It does take more effort at the beginning to do it this way, but if you and your parents both get addicted to free-to-air satellite TV, you will be really glad you made the effort!

P.S. As a bonus, if either of you has a decent TV antenna that picks up OTA channels, you can probably add them into the mix by adding a HDHomeRun Dual to the network that the TVHeadEnd backend is connected to - I say "probably" because I am not 100% sure it can be done, although if not, there is doubtless some other ATSC tuner that will work. But, a HDHomeRun device could be at either house, since it will send the signals over the network to the backend. If you have the better antenna, then you have the option to use any TVHeadEnd-compatible HDTV tuner card in your computer.
R
over 100 feet of cable needs a testable wire sized for the distance; involves system level wire (like a good commscope copper and 10, 12, 20 at gauges; each for the functional length and voltage/amperage required at the dish; 24 vdc motor; 5 vdc sensor; 18/14 vdc sw; 22 khz; etc.. Electrically RATED! Most coaxes will go to 200-350 feet and beyond, but the receivers (V Box) PS may also overwork a little more than normal; or not be able to supply.
If the wrong wire is installed; the motor may move slower,

but enough amperage to move a heavy dish may not be available and other "voltage problems" can also occur. Copper/Zinc coax goes to 300-400 feet however; and the scene at the receiver just shows a lower signal level with the same quality.

This allows a 4dtv receiver to provide the same great pictures at a low input level (-32) in t of analogue he old days; because on one side is it's ability to go over 300 feet easily at the coax; and keep a full analogue bandwidth (20) as signal and level; while at the same time being able to make a large number of channels digitally from the same bandwidth; very sensitive tuner and 10-20 channels are accrued digitally for each analogue bandwidth!

but with today's PS designed with such small bandwidth aggressions; the system only responds to the ability for the quality to be achieved; system level multi-pointing using motors is really just that; the need for the same preciseness IN WIRE AND SIZE REQUIRED; and it IS THE PIE (POWER formula)...The problems then are the required sizes! The coax and the motor wire then is the type and size!
. Raine
There actually is another way that is more work but has additional benefits.

The first thing is to get you and your parents on a common shared LAN. You can do this by running a fiber optic cable from your house to theirs. This may initially be a bit more expensive than RG-11, but not that much more once you figure in all the costs, including the costs of lightning/ground loop protection. You can use this to share Internet or just to send video, that is up to you. If you only use it for video then only the

Then you set up some kind of home theater PC for your parents, preferably running Kodi/XBMC. This could be something as simple as a Raspberry Pi running RaspBMC or XBian or a similar program, but you are likely going to want something capable of handling higher bitrate streams, and the Raspberry Pi just doesn't quite cut it. By the way, I do NOT personally recommend OpenELEC unless you have no Linux experience at all, because the inability to do common Linux tasks will frustrate you to no end. Something like a CuBox-i might work but I can't say for sure. If they will be trying to watch any high bitrate feeds then something even more hefty in the video processing department might be needed. I really haven't fully researched the newer devices so can't say much more about it.

And then you need a backend system, and for that you can either use something like a TBS MOI+ with an attached SATA drive, using the included TVHeadEnd software, or you can build your own backend. If you go that route I'd suggest running Debian or Ubuntu, and a TBS tuner card, unless you are a true Linux guru, in which case there are many more options open to you - not necessarily better ones, just additional ones. And use the latest TVHeadEnd unstable release for the backend software - unfortunately the latest stable version is rather dated and apparently does not contain support for certain aspects of DVB-S/S2 reception. Whether you buy something like a MOI+ or build your own, the MOI+ article I linked to gives some installation tips for TVHeadEnd that may prove useful. If you do build your own backend and use a TBS card, you will have to install the TBS drivers which does involve a compilation step, but the instructions are pretty clear.

Then you put the backend inside your home, and run your coax from your satellite LNB to the tuner card. Then you use XBMC to watch the signal live, or schedule recordings (you can also schedule recordings via the TVHeadEnd web-based interface) which can be watched later. If you and your parents want to watch the same show, just agree that neither of you will delete it until you know the other has watched it. The obvious advantage is that both you and your parents can watch the live or recorded programs from any room in your home where you have a computer, which could be a home theater PC connected to a HDTV set, as mentioned above. It's just a much more flexible solution.

Plus, you avoid the very real issue of running copper between homes that may be at different ground potentials. If you decide to go that route, please use a very good lightning protector at each end; the article I linked to on running fiber explains why, and one of the comments in that article expands on it a bit more. And on that fiber run you can connect to gigabit Ethernet at both ends and use the full speed of the connection, and unless you physically damage the fiber or one of the fiber converters fails, it will probably work well past the point where the technology is obsolete. And once the satellite signal hits the tuner in your home, there will be no additional degradation of signal between your home and your parents' home.

There also the option to use a tuner card with multiple inputs, and/or LNBs with dual outputs, if you think you and your parents might want to watch different transponders off the same satellite at the same time.

It does take more effort at the beginning to do it this way, but if you and your parents both get addicted to free-to-air satellite TV, you will be really glad you made the effort!

P.S. As a bonus, if either of you has a decent TV antenna that picks up OTA channels, you can probably add them into the mix by adding a HDHomeRun Dual to the network that the TVHeadEnd backend is connected to - I say "probably" because I am not 100% sure it can be done, although if not, there is doubtless some other ATSC tuner that will work. But, a HDHomeRun device could be at either house, since it will send the signals over the network to the backend. If you have the better antenna, then you have the option to use any TVHeadEnd-compatible HDTV tuner card in your computer.

I'm not looking to connect our two houses together, they already get my OTA stations, stations off one of my dishes, internet access and Netflix through our network via wi-fi connection and a media center and that's been working good for years, so I'm good there. I want to set this dish up as a normal setup for them, it just would have to have the long cable run for the coax.

Right now I have two Hauppauge HVR1600 ATSC tuners, a HDHomeRun dual ATSC tuner and the one dish that they use over the network via a X Box 360 as an extender to a media center PC. In the past [Quite a few years ago now] I've tried different things like XBMC, MythTV, etc, but it was annoying because things would change often and I'd have to fiddle with things a lot. The changes sometimes would really screw up my dad too, simple things like push this button on the remote for the guide rather than this one can take him weeks to learn, his memory isn't so great anymore, him and my mom are in their late seventies. My mom is good with the stuff and has no problem but he does if things change. There was one time, I think it was when I was using Myth, that the system went down and my dad called the cable company complaining that the TV went out, he'd forgotten that the TV comes from my house. That was funny, my Mom was gone and when she came home he asked her to call the cable company because they'd given him the run around and she told him they didn't have cable, he didn't believe her. When I got home from work he called me and asked me to call. Told him we didn't have cable but I'd take care of it. When the TV came back on for them in a bit he tells my mom that I must've called the cable company and gave them a good talking to. That was years ago and he still think they have cable TV. Lucky for the cable company, the system setup now very rarely has any issues that cuts out TV on them.

The XBMC was nice, I'd used an original X Box running Linux as a frontend to a Ubuntu setup with XBMC on it, but all the changes all the time stunk. I'd have it all setup and working so it's just like using a regular TV for them and then something would be changed in XBMC or Ubuntu and I have to mess with things. Myth and a few others I tried were the same. Compiling drivers and such for Linux isn't a problem at all, but having to fiddle with things all the time because the program has been updated or something broken because of an update is a PITA.

When I originally did the wi-fi setup ten or so years ago, I'd never even thought of using fiber. I will read up on it and might do it, depending on how expensive it will be, there would be some benefits to it if it isn't real expensive. I would have to lay about 150' more of pipe to do it too, but I do have the equipment to do that. Thanks for posting this, it's not what I want for this dish but for my existing setup, I like the idea of fiber and am going to check into it more.
R
Wireless networking with lines of site are being used at up to 20 miles; but these are Providers signals; the main being a transceiver, which can put out foundational networking aggression compared to the normal distances just a "route". Wiring from a transceiver to a controlled motor, switch, or say voltage change is done using RC and a remote code already hardwired as wireless signal and function. Hardwire like optical sits at a full video bandwidth (say 1 Gb); multi-channel and carried to a switch, say from Verizon; that is then sent via coax to the home. These boxes already do this!

A satellite receiver however, is a 1000 Gb x 2 polarity; just at downconverted frequency; and needs nothing else (no transceiver); choosing; one of the pieces of the bandwidth for "the channel" it then shows on the HDTV. Netflix, Hulu, and the rest of the server formations already have "bandwidth" selected then shows on HDTV as their progression.

The dish can be set-up WITH CORRECT WIRE AND SYSTEM DESIGN at 1/2 mile or more using amps bringing the pictures so far over coax; and using a phone and wire as the control; it seems too spendy to reach for glass. They have a way to see the signals from multi-dishes over networking; but if you want to outdo them all; you might as well invent a cable company that wants localized reception; only backwards; that is using a transceiver at the consumers home. Who's picture is it that must be bought then? And whose picture is it? These details are privately held; and defined Only For Those They Say Can; And Only The "Way" They Say They Can gets in the way.
Cham
Sometimes the cable companies have reel ends of RG11 you might get for free or pennies on the dollar. You might have to know someone there though...
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· posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks
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dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
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We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Pork shoulder, refried beans, cheddar and chopped green chile burrito with a pint of pale ale.

Its nice being able to have a pint with lunch during the week or whenever. I've been enjoying the retired life. 🍺

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Pork shoulder, refried beans, cheddar and chopped green chile burrito with a pint of pale ale.

Its nice being able to have a pint with lunch during the week or whenever. I've been enjoying the retired life. 🍺

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Leftovers for lunch, bacon wrapped salmon fillet from Saturday and a KFC thigh from Friday, Tea.
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Congrats! I love retirement, no wake ups, no e-mails...
Leftovers for lunch, bacon wrapped salmon fillet from Saturday and a KFC thigh from Friday, Tea.
I've been retired since October. It was very strange at first. But I'm loving it now.
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Creamy flat chicken enchiladas with green chile, beans and rice.

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Layered Spicy Dorito / chili cheese Frito pie casserole…real sugar Pepsi
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I had a very unusual but delicious 1/4lb hotdog with cream cheese, raspberry preserves and chopped Hatch green chile. It is an unlikely combination but it works.


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Last reply · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info
New low power station has been granted by the FCC and the new call leter is K33OB-D on RF ch. 33.

Will run at 15 KW ERP, this one runs from the Westside same location as KWPL-LD a HC2 owned station.

It's going to be aimed at eastern part of Albuquerque, so it's tightly focused beam pattern.

This new station is owned by Digital Network and what kind of programmings is unkown at this time.😎
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N5XZS
Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets on like the Rev'n, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station. :hatsoff2
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Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets like Revn, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station. :hatsoff2

I watch MovieSphere Gold channel a lot. Many recent movies on that digitnet :)
N5XZS
Yes that's a good channel MovieSphere, only thing is the missing CC on it. :rolleyes: :hatsoff2
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According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

primestar31
According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

Many of these in my DMA are on cell towers, so don't always reach very far because the towers aren't very high.
zippyfrog
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.
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zippyfrog
However, when I make a change (tried to add the Columbian pack for $2 so I could generate my bill) and there is a new line - it says "Access for TV" - whereas previously that line item was not there. I hope they aren't charging $5.00 for the initial TV now...

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Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees
zippyfrog
Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees
Possibly. In theory, $9 of the base pack has a rental fee built in. But now is this $5 a chance to get a little more? I don't know for sure. According to chat, it is a glitch and will be resolved in a timely manner, but we shall see. Part of my thinks there is a going to be a new charge, whether it is now or this fall. Here in Illinois, the law requires we are given 30 days notice of any fee changes, but I have not been given anything.

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MikeD-C05
These fees are why streaming has caught on so well across the country and DISH is losing subs each quarter. Soon won't be enough subs to be profitable.
T
Does cable charge box rent?
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Bruce
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
With the 1st Quarter Report just released, Dish lost another 180,000, now at 4.84 Million.

Sling now at 1.79 million subscribers, down approximately 190,000.

For comparison, YouTube TV now has about double the subscribers of Dish and Sling combined.

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fmj77
I'm surprised Dish still has that many subscribers. I don't know a single person in my area that is still with them after getting either Starlink or fiber at their home. They all cancelled Dish and went with streaming. I used to get offers pretty regularly in the mail to come back to Dish, but no more. Haven't seen one in a couple of years now.
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I'm surprised Dish still has that many subscribers. I don't know a single person in my area that is still with them after getting either Starlink or fiber at their home. They all cancelled Dish and went with streaming. I used to get offers pretty regularly in the mail to come back to Dish, but no more. Haven't seen one in a couple of years now.
Only about 3.6% of Households in the United States, still have Dish Network.

For comparison, YouTube TV has about 10%.
Y
$25 a month for 1 gig, for two years with Spectrum. I'd be darned that their router was MUCH better than AT&T's. I didn't realize that what I thought was something else was the bloody router. Those buffering issues stopped when I swapped... after AT&T refused to lower my bill, after 25 years of high speed internet service. They wanted $80 or so a month for 1 gig, with no drop to a lower speed.
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I despise that most of all. I'm going to talk to a remote?
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$25 a month for 1 gig, for two years with Spectrum. I'd be darned that their router was MUCH better than AT&T's. I didn't realize that what I thought was something else was the bloody router. Those buffering issues stopped when I swapped... after AT&T refused to lower my bill, after 25 years of high speed internet service. They wanted $80 or so a month for 1 gig, with no drop to a lower speed.


1gbit up and down here from att start out great was suppose to be $60 for life of service, with years time it went back up to $80 I complained about they gave us $49 for year which about to end, I Wonder what prices will be when it "up" I in no way like ATT fiber service there DNS that are hardcode and unchange able in the router are some WORSE DNS I ever used. you know how much of pain it is to change DNS setting on EVERY single wireless device...
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mwdxer1
Only about 3.6% of Households in the United States, still have Dish Network.

For comparison, YouTube TV has about 10%.
I dropped Dish a couple years back after having them for 25 years. The pricing got higher and after we got high speed internet, I watched it less and less. It got to the point all I watched was TCM for classic movies. Many of them are on You Tube now and a Premium subscription is $14 a month. A far cry of the $100 a month was paying with AT180, Supers, and locals. I get locals OTA anyway. I took down the dish several months ago and tossed it. I owned all my my equipment, so nothing to return. Do I miss a traditional cable type service? No way. If I want one I have all of the free live streaming with Roku, the Fire Stick, as well as Google TV. Right now as I type this, I am watching episodes of "The Midnight Special" from 1976 on You Tube, ad free. Dish was fine for many years. I do not regret buying the equipment and installing it myself (No installers in 1999). I enjoyed Dish for many years. My thoughts, Dish & Direct will be forced to merge in time, or they both will be gone. Even cable companies are getting out of TV. Some are only selling the internet and phone packages.
tanman
I despise that most of all. I'm going to talk to a remote?
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nelson61
A lot of it flows back to the 4 big networks.
Cable and satellite are their money tree.

But, in reality, each market need 1 or perhaps 2 news feeds - not 4 or more
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MikeD-C05
A lot of it flows back to the 4 big networks.
Cable and satellite are their money tree.

But, in reality, each market need 1 or perhaps 2 news feeds - not 4 or more
In my area we get 2 news feeds spread over 4 local stations.
ABC/NBC (TEGNA)
Same news cast simulcast over both channels.

CBS/Fox (Sinclair)
Same news casters at 5pm, 6pm, 10pm.
Fox shows an hour at 9pm but same news casters.
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lordodogg
Last reply · posted in DIRECTV General Forum
Hello again, haven't posted here in a while.

This morning, around 6:30am, I woke up and found the front panel lights on my HR44 on (I leave it off all the time as it is co-located with one of my Geminis).

Immediately thinking that either a reboot or power outage occurred, I checked the software version, and found that it's still the same release that was sent out last month.

I then ruled out a power outage by checking the clocks on my appliances and seeing that they're still correct (they reset when there's an outage, somewhat similar to the "blinking 12" on VCRs).

I then confirmed a reboot by checking the Upcoming Recordings (fka To-Do List) and seeing that the number was much lower than before (it always resets after a reboot).

I am definitely guessing what happened (and it may very well be actually what happened) is that the "Reset Required" prompt may have come up sometime overnight, and it eventually timed out and rebooted automatically. IIRC that prompt comes up when new software "plugins" have to be installed.

Would like to hear your thoughts, especially since I probably haven't talked to some of you reading this in a while (was a former CE member, left almost a year ago).

Thank you all in advance!
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Tom Speer
My HR54 blue light is on this morning. I think you ae right about the plugins. They are tweaking things in the customer National release. What version does your HR44 Genie have now? I think you are probably on the same varsion as the CE group today.
lordodogg
I believe mine says 0x1D7F
Tom Speer
That is what I have.
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Happened again today & have new software, 0x1d88