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Lone Gunman

Last reply Mar 7, 2017 · posted in FTA Receiver / Equipment Support

Openbox Multiple Recording Failure??

I listed this as an Openbox S9 problem but both of my Micro HDs do the same thing. Whenever I've tried to setup to record more than one program both the S9 and the Micro HD do not work correctly?

"Most" of the time, when I setup to only record ONE TV show it works pretty well but I setup my S9 last night to record THREE different hour long TV shows spaced about 2 hours apart on the same TP and satellite and it only recorded the FIRST and neither of the other two?? When I looked in the Timer setting menu I noticed that the FIRST and SECOND show was gone but the THIRD was still there and it was set to record at 4am this morning. Looked on the hard drive and only ONE recorded TV show was there?? And like I said, the Micro HD exhibits this same issue more often than not on multiple recordings.

So my question is, is there something I need to know to do to make this work, or, is it just a problem with these receivers that can't be fixed?

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Larry1

Mar 5, 2017

Try recording on a USB stick to see if it is related to the hard drive going into a low power mode.
I record multiple shows from the same satellite, same channel with no issues (COZI-TV on 103 MicroHD)

Another issue is try setting the clock manually and not have it set the time from the satellite. Some of the time stamps on the satellite are incorrect, but only for some of the time, then change back to a proper time. (this is probably the issue)

Another issue that can come up (but as you posted is not relevant in your tests) is to have at least 1min spacing between the last recording ending and the next starting.

Lone Gunman

Mar 5, 2017

Larry1 said:
Try recording on a USB stick to see if it is related to the hard drive going into a low power mode.
I record multiple shows from the same satellite, same channel with no issues (COZI-TV on 103 MicroHD)

Another issue is try setting the clock manually and not have it set the time from the satellite. Some of the time stamps on the satellite are incorrect, but only for some of the time, then change back to a proper time. (this is probably the issue)

Another issue that can come up (but as you posted is not relevant in your tests) is to have at least 1min spacing between the last recording ending and the next starting.

Yes, I do the manual clock setting because certain satellites and TPs have horked up time on them. I'll set the clock on a "known" sat and TP then turn the auto set OFF before setting the record timers.

OK, I'm not sure the hard drive is the problem, but I'll try a flash drive just to make sure.

And yes, I try to leave at least an hour between programs to allow for the receiver to power up and move the dish and power on the hard drive. I've got 3 active systems so if there's two programs back to back I usually just switch off to another system to do the second one. Last night when I setup to do 3 show recordings there was 2 hour gap between the first two and 3 hours from the second to the third.

Thanks

Larry1

Mar 6, 2017

Lone Gunman said:
Yes, I do the manual clock setting because certain satellites and TPs have horked up time on them. I'll set the clock on a "known" sat and TP then turn the auto set OFF before setting the record timers.

OK, I'm not sure the hard drive is the problem, but I'll try a flash drive just to make sure.

And yes, I try to leave at least an hour between programs to allow for the receiver to power up and move the dish and power on the hard drive. I've got 3 active systems so if there's two programs back to back I usually just switch off to another system to do the second one. Last night when I setup to do 3 show recordings there was 2 hour gap between the first two and 3 hours from the second to the third.

Thanks

If the back to back recordings are on the same satellite and same channel, then you can create a second, or third, or fourth duplicate of the channel, and change the SID of the channel to an unused or different one for each. Then record each show as a different channel and even have overlapping recording. The only issue I have had is that the first channel gets corrupted, but copy 2,3,4,and 5 all work fine. Check this by viewing the channels to see if all are showing video. I usually set the programs to start 5 min early and end 5 min late, as the clock on the microHD drifts badly. So, recording 1 I use channel copy 1, for recoding 2 I use channel copy 2, for recording 3 I use channel copy3. Recording 1 overlaps with recording 2, recording 2 overlaps with recording 1 and 3, and so on.
The only drawback to this is the microHD sometimes does not turn off after the recordings. The recordings do stop, but the microHD is still turned on.

Now back to your issue, 3 recordings, with time between each recording is working fine. Now, I do not have it setup on a motor, and am recording the same channel on all 3 recordings. It is working fine for me. The only major issue I had setting this up was with the time changing due to the time being transmitted by the satellite. That is why I had to turn off the feature to set the clock by the satellite. Now I check and update the clock about every third day, it drifts badly.

clucas

Mar 7, 2017

I have the same problem with my GeosatPro. I use a memory stick and I've tested it by programming a 5 minute segment then 5 minutes off and it seems to record twice and sometimes three times if I'm lucky but won't even start after that and it does erase the set timers. I think the last firmware update helped and it seems to work better if I set the timer, leave it on the channel I want to record and I don't turn the receiver off. One channel I record usually drops out after about two minutes but (usually) pops back after about 15 seconds. If that happens during the recording process, it will not record anything so leaving it on seems to resolve that issue.

This weekend I set the timer for a 5AM and a 9AM recording both for 2 hours each and manually recorded a 55 minute program and a 45 minute program before going to sleep and all four recordings were there the next day. I wish I had a solution too.

Carl

Lone Gunman

Mar 7, 2017

I tried 2 USB sticks formatted in both NTFS and FAT but STILL have the same problem. In fact, it's gotten to a point now where it won't record ANYTHING from the timers???? I can record MANUALLY with the "Record" button but not with the timers?

I'm going to reload the current firmware today to see if that will straighten it out.

Larry1

Mar 7, 2017

Are you formatting the hard drive or USB stick from the microHD format command in the DVR menus or from a computer? I always will reformat using the microHD format, even if I have just formatted it on my PC. Also I always use NTFS and not FAT.

SuperDish_Fan23

Last reply 5 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

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dishdude

Today at 1:45 AM

They didn't sell many, they were pricey and not out long. Quickly got replaced by the Hopper.

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telstar_1

Today at 1:50 AM

They were high-end specialty, somewhat buggy and the 612/622/722 just overwhelmed it in popularity.

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HipKat

Today at 8:55 AM

I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.

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AZ.

Today at 9:02 AM

Well if it is because of reliability that wouldnt shock me.I went through 5 or 6 of them in little over 2 years. I loved the Sling when it worked! Saved lots of money having it in the day. That was probably 15 or 16 years ago?

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telstar_1

5 minutes ago

HipKat said:
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.

I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 11:52 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Take It To The Limit - The Eagles

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harshness

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ClarkGable said:
Take It To The Limit - The Eagles

The two instances of "The" should have been highlighted.

Take Me to the River - Talking Heads

dishstaller

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Blinded By The Light - Manfred Mann's Earth Band

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I Saw The Light - Todd Rundgren

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meStevo

Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 11:40 AM · posted in The Sports Section

NFL 2026-2027 Season

Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.

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Thursday at 5:17 PM

Troy Aikman seems to confirm he'll be leaving ESPN

Aikman says he looks forward to "where my next landing spot will be."

www.nbcsports.com

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Mike0616

Thursday at 5:30 PM

osu1991 said:
Troy Aikman seems to confirm he'll be leaving ESPN

Aikman says he looks forward to "where my next landing spot will be."

www.nbcsports.com

Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.

Yespage

Friday at 11:03 AM

Mike0616 said:
Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.

After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.

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Friday at 12:05 PM

Jalen Hurts out indefinitely as they treat and monitor a superficial blood clot in his leg.

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Browns lead the AFC North

Seth Meyers What GIF by Late Night with Seth Meyers

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Today at 11:40 AM

Hurts done for the season now

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Former member 209992

Last reply Today at 11:15 AM · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.

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Scott Greczkowski

Saturday at 3:01 PM

Was down due to an emergency update at the ISP. They did email me seconds before they took it down and apologized for the short notice.

However once the server was back online NGINX failed to start.

I was at the grocery store and just rebooted the entire server and everything came back up again.

Just got home from the grocery store I will bring in the groceries and then take a look at what NGINX failed the first time.

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comfortably_numb

Saturday at 3:04 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
Was down due to an emergency update at the ISP. They did email me seconds before they took it down and apologized for the short notice.

However once the server was back online NGINX failed to start.

I was at the grocery store and just rebooted the entire server and everything came back up again.

Just got home from the grocery store I will bring in the groceries and then take a look at what NGINX failed the first time.

NGINX
The site uses Nugenix?!

View: https://youtu.be/_DhEEo5S9fg

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Scott Greczkowski

Saturday at 3:21 PM

Ok checked it out and for some reason the web server (NGINX) tried starting before the DNS resolver fully loaded. This is why it worked when I rebooted the machine.

Thanks to ChatGPT it had me change the NGINX config to prevent this from happening again.

With that said I can't prevent the ISP from doing emergency upgrades which was the cause of all of this.

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navychop

Saturday at 3:39 PM

Nature will develop better idiots.

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TRG

Saturday at 4:19 PM

navychop said:
Nature will develop better idiots.

God help us.

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Scott Greczkowski

Today at 11:15 AM

I guess this is what the downtime was about.

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Ramy

Supporting Founder

Last reply Today at 11:08 AM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Saturday at 8:17 PM

osu1991 said:

They ought to have fun with this… :devilish

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osu1991

Saturday at 10:14 PM

Foxbat said:
They ought to have fun with this…

Was thinking same thing. It should be a good week for sec shorts and roll call

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Yesterday at 6:19 AM

A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.

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Yesterday at 6:34 PM

Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"

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Today at 10:03 AM

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Today at 11:08 AM

osu1991 said:
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.

. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!

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Peter Parker

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 9:57 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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bookworm370

Saturday at 3:17 PM

Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

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naptime

Yesterday at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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reubenray

Yesterday at 6:14 AM

bookworm370 said:
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 1:01 PM

reubenray said:
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning.

Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

https://www.amazon.com/Have-Tried-Turning-Again-T-Shirt/dp/B07G1ZV9W9/ref=sr_1_11?crid=3NNRAEED195WV&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.86TxUTPcw48CRYlDcLntwpMxbPDBfjiLu4wMZGX3VN6ajG_cFCuoDBJT7pS9CW2mjThKlke5Z6dlXH8bJKkQF4s892wGVU1ca_00S0BQz6F15V30_4szIdWeycvw3_zoVtsULQASM8bGcgvsKms930xApC43y_-YBVN0Q8Xsf_csSqXcmhWpresARdXHfx2VazllrXI8asduvrbnk9S3CGnzjqnVTkjzFSpSQLdQKA6Dx_7UfbQIBBJsqAmQwwtDGqM0YKVIkjV4ARgVJvJ69vLPhxV0m8pkJQd_2w_QX_A.-jSy9OqrqWdxPBsgZGia1hHMbvDAKxxhRn9kK1EBdCc&dib_tag=se&keywords=have%2Byou%2Btried%2Bturning%2Bit%2Boff%2Band%2Bon%2Bagain&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1792342839&sprefix=have%2Byou%2Btried%2B%2Caps%2C265&sr=8-11&customId=B0752XJYNL&customizationToken=MC_Assembly_1%23B0752XJYNL&th=1&psc=1

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cpdretired

Yesterday at 6:58 PM

dishstaller said:
Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

https://www.amazon.com/Have-Tried-Turning-Again-T-Shirt/dp/B07G1ZV9W9/ref=sr_1_11?crid=3NNRAEED195WV&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.86TxUTPcw48CRYlDcLntwpMxbPDBfjiLu4wMZGX3VN6ajG_cFCuoDBJT7pS9CW2mjThKlke5Z6dlXH8bJKkQF4s892wGVU1ca_00S0BQz6F15V30_4szIdWeycvw3_zoVtsULQASM8bGcgvsKms930xApC43y_-YBVN0Q8Xsf_csSqXcmhWpresARdXHfx2VazllrXI8asduvrbnk9S3CGnzjqnVTkjzFSpSQLdQKA6Dx_7UfbQIBBJsqAmQwwtDGqM0YKVIkjV4ARgVJvJ69vLPhxV0m8pkJQd_2w_QX_A.-jSy9OqrqWdxPBsgZGia1hHMbvDAKxxhRn9kK1EBdCc&dib_tag=se&keywords=have%2Byou%2Btried%2Bturning%2Bit%2Boff%2Band%2Bon%2Bagain&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1792342839&sprefix=have%2Byou%2Btried%2B%2Caps%2C265&sr=8-11&customId=B0752XJYNL&customizationToken=MC_Assembly_1%23B0752XJYNL&th=1&psc=1

Works every time. My wife needs one.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 7:14 PM

dishstaller said:
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Here's the one I need:

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 10:15 PM

Foxbat said:
Here's the one I need:

View attachment 194877

Just ordered one....that's great.

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jsmit86

Today at 9:57 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

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Former member 208119

Last reply Today at 9:52 AM · posted in SiriusXM Satellite Radio

SXM still giving discounts

My year was almost up and we got the new bill for a year of service for $ 360.00 insane sat radio is becoming like cable!!! i logged into my acct and hopped onto chat and told the rep that i wanted to cancel. she understood my concern and went quiet for a few minutes. i figured that she was canceling my service. she comes back and said that she seen that i have been a sub since 07 and then offers me the same package for a year for 120.00 with taxes and fee's!!! i grabbed it. after almost having a stroke :biggrin

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Foxbat

May 21, 2026

Well, that was a waste of effort. Our new Cadillac comes with a three-month free trial. Good that it's free, bad that I'll have to go through the Cancellation Dance all over again…

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N6BY

Sep 22, 2026

Foxbat said:
Well, that was a waste of effort. Our new Cadillac comes with a three-month free trial. Good that it's free, bad that I'll have to go through the Cancellation Dance all over again…

I just bought a Ram 1500 truck with a 3 month free trial. What to do when it ends?

All I want is music and news, but it is listed for $11.99 + $5.00 more for news. But $16.99 per month isn't worth it to me.

comfortably_numb

Sep 22, 2026

N6BY said:
What to do when it ends?

Ask for the "All Access Plan" for $5/month.

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harshness

Sep 23, 2026

comfortably_numb said:
Ask for the "All Access Plan" for $5/month.

Since the agents are now AI, you keep refusing the offer until you can justify the cost.

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Bruno

Oct 4, 2026

What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $4.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.

Jimbo

Oct 4, 2026

Bruno said:
What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.

Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.

Jimbo

Oct 7, 2026

harshness said:
Since the agents are now AI, you keep refusing the offer until you can justify the cost.

Not entirely true ...
If you ask for a Human, you'll get one ...
You will definitely know when you do.

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slow_poke_pete

Oct 10, 2026

Jimbo said:
Not entirely true ...
If you ask for a Human, you'll get one ...
You will definitely know when you do.

Don't you mean phone sex operators :biggrin

Jimbo

Oct 10, 2026

slow_poke_pete said:
Don't you mean phone sex operators

Is That why you keep SXM ??? :biggrin

Bruno

Yesterday at 11:16 AM

Jimbo said:
Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.

I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!

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TRG

Yesterday at 11:55 AM

Bruno said:
I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!

I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.

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Bruno

Yesterday at 12:08 PM

TRG said:
I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.

yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 5:08 PM

Bruno said:
yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.

You get an email every month to let you know they are billing you for the next month.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 11:14 PM

Mrs. Foxbat reminded me it's that time of the year to do the Cancel Tango

The A.I. agent appears to be better than in the past. It got to the acceptable price quicker than previous years, no human operator involved. $5/mo and I still have over $50 in SiriusXM credit from my FordPartner benefits.

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Jimbo

Today at 7:56 AM

Foxbat said:
Mrs. Foxbat reminded me it's that time of the year to do the Cancel Tango

The A.I. agent appears to be better than in the past. It got to the acceptable price quicker than previous years, no human operator involved. $5/mo and I still have over $50 in SiriusXM credit from my FordPartner benefits.

I forgot you can pay that with Ford Pass points, I won't be due again till Feb, but I'll have to remember to try it ... Not sure what needs to be done, but I do have a substantial amount of points currently.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 9:52 AM

Jimbo said:
Is That why you keep SXM ???

when i say cancel. they give the moon and stars!!! iv'e gotten free radios and a free month once since it was my bday

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osu1991

Pub Member / Supporter

Last reply Today at 9:47 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

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America’s Fastest-Growing EV State Isn’t California—Not by a Long Shot

New data shows electric vehicle adoption is increasingly driven by state policies, electricity prices and charging access—not federal incentives

www.autoweek.com

The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.

:eek

It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.

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meStevo

Sep 26, 2026

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bsky.app

Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.

harshness

Sep 27, 2026

The EV company to watch out for is SAIC. They seem likely to take over Government Motors at some point.

GM originally struck a JV deal with SAIC to gain access to China. Now SAIC has taken China back with the substantial library of technology GM shared and they're looking to export to Mexico, South America, the Middle East, and Asia-Pacific.

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osu1991

Oct 9, 2026

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osu1991

Yesterday at 8:46 PM

US EV sales are rising again. Here’s why the recovery is set to last.

Even though sales tanked last year after the end of federal incentives, the American EV sector is on the mend as drivers face sky-high gasoline prices.

www.canarymedia.com

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harshness

Today at 9:47 AM

If it weren't for the sky-high electricity prices...

Of course, the real scare with Winter coming is the insane cost of heating oil.

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dfergie

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Last reply Today at 9:34 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby

Yesterday at 10:27 AM

Regular$5.999
Premium$6.399
Diesel$7.999
at Costco, Rohnert Park.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 12:32 PM

Bobby said:
Regular$5.999
Premium$6.399

Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

Last night it was about $4.17 gas, $6,19 diesel.

harshness

Yesterday at 2:04 PM

dishstaller said:
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

On the West Coast, a 40-cent differential is common. It used to be 30 cents before the prices rose above $3.

A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic), which is a whole different discussion.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 9:43 PM

Here in Indiana, the difference between Regular and Premium is usually a dollar, but some charge even more:

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 10:06 PM

harshness said:
A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic),

Both non-ethanol and prem run about the same....buck more. When we were up in TN it was a buck more up there as well.

harshness

Today at 9:34 AM

In Oregon, our premium boat gas is about a dollar more than our corn premium. Several stations only offer the non-corn premium grade.

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