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Polar vs Az/El Mount

I am in the process of collecting/fabricating parts for some satellites I acquired from a member, and from facebook. Can anyone explain the difference between a polar mount and an az/el mount? Im still a little lost.

Also why would use actuators? Is that only if you want to track multiple satellites on one reciever? If I plan to just point the dish at one satellite, couldnt I just fix the mount in place and call it a day?

I have a 10/11 ft (3m) channel master prime focus fiberglass dish which is really cool. I plan to use it with c band. Not sure what type of mount it is, but I think it may be a polar mount. It has one huge actuator on it (that i am missing parts to). It looks like you set the sat to the right position facing south, and then the actuator can adjust the tilt of the dish. I think I will remove the actuator. To fix it I need to fabricate a few brackets it looks like.

I have a 1.8m (6ft) one piece channel master offset dish. This has no mount. I found a polar mount I can buy, but no luck finding an az/el mount. Still unsure of the difference between the two. If I just wanted to park it on one satellite, any recommendations?
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arlo
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Ahh. The curious noobs. And great questions.
May I?

Also why would use actuators? Is that only if you want to track multiple satellites on one reciever? If I plan to just point the dish at one satellite, couldnt I just fix the mount in place and call it a day?
Exactly. An actuator on a polar mount will allow the dish to track a precise arc across the sky called the Clarke Belt.
If you only want to look at one satellite. Either mount will do. Azimuth/Elevations mounts are easy to build. Just like every Dishnet/Directv antenna uses. Their use of multiple lnbf's ("eyes" for those who don;t know) that you see to receive multiple satellites have dishes that are shaped to provide a wide viewing arc left and right but not so much up and down. Polar mounts use for fixed satellite viewing also work. But kind of a waste of money for something that will never be needed nor used.

I have a 10/11 ft (3m) channel master prime focus fiberglass dish which is really cool. I plan to use it with c band. Not sure what type of mount it is, but I think it may be a polar mount. It has one huge actuator on it (that i am missing parts to). It looks like you set the sat to the right position facing south, and then the actuator can adjust the tilt of the dish. I think I will remove the actuator. To fix it I need to fabricate a few brackets it looks like.
If it has an actuator then it is a polar mount. It's not exactly the tilt that is being adjusted as it traverses the arc in the sky. But an imaginary arc that follows the equator. Because all geosynchronous (following the same spot on the earth as it rotates on its axis throughout the day) are parked out there some 22,000 miles over the equator. The arc is predictable.

I have a 1.8m (6ft) one piece channel master offset dish. This has no mount. I found a polar mount I can buy, but no luck finding an az/el mount. Still unsure of the difference between the two. If I just wanted to park it on one satellite, any recommendations?
Hey. If the price is right and it's not borked all to oblivion. And of course will fit the dish. By all means get it.
Nothing here or anyplace says you cant use it for just one satellite.
And actually if that's what you wish to do. Setup and finding that single satellite will require less critical setup steps than if you intend on it tracking the arc and receiving multiple sats.
Every polar mount is setup to get that first satellite. Then fine adjustments come later. If it was only steered to look at one satellite. You only need two references angles. Azimuth (left and right) and elevation (up and down). With the correct tilt (skew) angle of the lnbf.

Ok, so I think azimuth is your degrees away from true south? Shouldnt your dish be always facing true south? Or not in practice? I think my 3m channel master is just a polar mount then? Because in order to adjust the azimuth I have to loosen the bolts and spin the clamp on the pole. It seems like the actuator adjusts the elevation only. That would make that a polar mount? Correct?
Everyone has a true South no matter where they live. The imaginary vertical lines going from N to S poles.
Look around your neighborhood. Nobody's dish points true South. Some will point here, some point there.
It depends of which satellite they are aimed at. Since Greenwich, England is the global reference for 0 degrees. A satellite parked at 0 degrees over the equator will have a person's dish pointed true south.
But is you live on the East coast of the US. Your dish would have to point east over the Atlantic to "see" it.
Your dish would definitely not be pointed true South. Right?
A good website is dishpointer.com. You put in your address and the desired satellite and it gives you the angles to set your dish to.
Lets say you want to point to a satellite with a designation 127 degrees West. It is definitely not 127 degrees using a compass with your true South being 180 degrees.
But if you live on longitude line....oh let's say....81 degrees west of Greenwich. Then the satellite at 81 degrees would have a dish pointed very close to true South.


Thanks for the reply FTA4PA! I think I get it. But how come some dishs don't move at all, and others do? Im guessing if you have a polar mount with an actuator motor and lnbf controller that is better for signal? If I wanted the best signal, is that what I should go with? I thought the actuator motors were only for moving between 2 different satellites, but I guess that assumption was incorrect. I actually need these actuators to track the satellite in it's arc? I thought the satellites stayed relatively stationary? I guess not?
He knows his beans for sure. Some dishes (DN/Direc) that receive multiple satellites. Ones where you see combination lnb "eyes" on. Again. The reflector is built to allow a wide angle of view. Let's say +/- 10 degree arc.
Each lnb is actually tilted just a touch to reflect off of the face of the dish. Like banking the cue ball offof a rail at different angles. Sort of.

Polar mount versus Az/El.
Lets say you stand in the yard and watch the moon come up. It comes up off to the east and sets in the West.
Look at it rise above the horizon. Allow your head to move only 2 direstions. Left and right, up and down.
Close your eyes for a bit standing exactly where you are and don't move.
Open your eyes an hour later. The moon has moved. It has risen and gotten higher.
You turn your head left a little bit. And tilt it up. Do it again all night long.
Turn to the right and raise your head. Eventually you head will be as high as the moon can be before it starts to set off to the west.
And then it starts lowering in the sky. Right?
And as you track it. You still move your head right but now lower it.
That's Azimuth/ Elevation.
You required 2 movements to track the moon.

So. Grab a recliner another evening. Situate it so that it's reclined where the top of your head sitting in it would be pointing at the North Star. The moon starts coming up. Somebody rear ended you and your doctor gave you a neck brace. So you can only turn your head left and right. Time for a six pack or two.
Look left and watch the moon rise. Slam a few cold ones. Close your eyes and chill for a bit but dont move your head a single bit.
Open them up and look straight. The moon is now higher in the sky and has moved to the right in the sky.
So you turn your head right to look right at it. I prescribe another beer....*pssssssht*.
You only had to move it to the right. No up and down needed. Right?
Besides getting up to take a squirt here and there. All you need to do to track the moon is turn your head a bit more to the right.
And there's your polar mount, Mister!

Would be the same with a kids' telescope. Look at Jupiter. As the earth turns the planet leaves the eyepiece.
And you have to use the adjustments to move it a little right and a little higher.
Did I mention that I'm an astronomy buff?
The kids' scope has an az/el mount.
I use an equatorial (polar) mount. I set the tripod and mount up to oriented at the North Star.
To track anything I just need to make a few settings and move the scope thorough one angle and it tracks perfectly centered.
Open your eyes again
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Thanks arlo, that was quite informative. I think I got my mounts under control. Looks like I just need to do a little fabricating and I should be good. I found a nice birdview 10' aluminum spun satellite in my back yard.. fellow said he would sell it to me, I offered him $100... he said he wasnt using it. Asked if satellites were coming back. Also found a nice commercial 12 ft too, but I am not sure that fellow will want to sell it... I am going to knock and ask though, lol. I am talking to a forum member nearby, he has a nice tracker on his dish, I figure I would leave his as is if I can acquire it, but that will depend on when I can tear my friend away from his welding work for most of a day.

How bad is 5g interference on c-band? should I just buy an inline filter and not worry about it? I have a tower about 4000 ft behind my house and that kind of makes me nervous. My sats should point away from it though if that matters.
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Nope! What if they lived at the South Pole?
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Boy. Imma' talking 'bout the good ole You-Ess-of-A.
Top of the food chain.
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Where I live I think 5G interference will probably never be a thing. So, interested in hearing the others chime in.
If you're a good fabricator you should do good in this hobby. So many think they can flop a dish up or bring one out of mothballs and get reception in a jif. Aint so.
My understanding from reading other posts is that 5G interference comes mainly from line of sight and side lobes of the dish. I see many satellites already have migrated transponders out of 5G frequencies. So, again, interested in finding out those hurdles the dudes are experiencing. It's difficult finding a newer lnbf without filtering as a matter of fact.
All in all If you have an opportunity to grab a large diameter reflector and a robust polar mount. Do it.
You can refurb it and use it for a single satellite today and build up from there.
Just getting rid of the bronze bushings and replacing them with pillow block bearings in my polar mount made 'old rusty' solid as a rock.
The 6" well casing that the dish sits on hasn't budged a bit since the 80's.
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No 5G interference here... yet... in Central PA. ;)
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2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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I noticed you missed last week's… Much like the SEC Shorts!😉
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I noticed you missed last week's… Much like the SEC Shorts!😉
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I thought I posted it as I usually have nothing to do but sit at my desk in the morning scrolling the interwebs , but my mom passed away the day before so my mind was mush.
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I thought I posted it as I usually have nothing to do but sit at my desk in the morning scrolling the interwebs , but my mom passed away the day before so my mind was mush.
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24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
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College Football Playoff nears agreement on 24-team expansion that could end title games

The College Football Playoff field is about to get much more crowded as the conferences near a deal to double the size of the field to 24 teams starting next year
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Hughesnet cancelling email addresses

Wasn't exactly sure where to post this. Just had a customer come in inquiring about internet. He has HughesNet and had heard good things about mine. He asked if we provided email addresses and it kinda caught me off guard. I said he should be able to keep whatever email he had been using....my sister in law is still using a BellSouth email addy and they haven't been around here for many years. He said he had gotten a letter from HughesNet stating that they had until Nov 16th to save, move, forward, whatever, their Hughesnet emails because they would lose them after that date.

I have never heard of a company simply mass-deleting email accounts (the customer still has his HughesNet service). From what I understand, in the past, the company who was ditching their email service simply sold the customer base to a company like Google.

Anyone else getting this letter. He said he would show it to me tomorrow when I go out there and set up his internet.
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Doing a Google of the HughesNet Email notice, it seems that HughesNet has been trying to eliminate hosting emails since 2019. And with HughesNet filing Chapter 11 back in August, it would be a smart move to switch to a more stable Email provider. Even AT&T farmed out their Email to Yahoo! years ago.

SpaceX's Starlink and the Cellular 5G Home Internet solutions have pretty much relegated HughesNet and its high latency, low bandwidth Internet service to History. If Earth had shorter days, maybe a Geostationary Internet Solution might have stood a fighting chance…
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Well, I helped him set up a gmail acct....I actually wanted to see what the new process is for setting up a gmail acct since it had been years since I set mine up. Anyway, I showed him how to forward the emails he wanted to keep over.
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If Earth had shorter days,
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Wouldn't we then die of old age sooner?

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navychop said:
Wouldn't we then die of old age sooner?

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Still the same number of years, just more Sunsets…😉
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Even AT&T farmed out their Email to Yahoo! years ago.
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I still have one of those although I've been trying to wean myself off it.
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Among my many email accounts I still have a .netscape.net which AOL assimilated a while back.
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NCIS: Origins

Hard getting used to the new younger Gibbs, Mark Harmons son had the right look but I understand he didn't want the role.
Still I'm enjoying, pretty good job with Franks.
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Best episode ever.
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Best episode ever.
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I actually think the very first episode was One of the Best ...
S1 E1 Yankee White
Where it all started in what was it, 2003 ?

edit:
Sorry, I got the shows mixed up, were talking Origins ...
I've liked Most of them once we've gotten past the 1st 3-4, getting to know who was who took a bit in the beginning.
It's a bit harder seeing we already Know the person, then go back and see how they became that person.
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Mark Harmon is coming back as Gibbs in Origins, for the full season. Just saw, Dinozzo too, on NCIS . That will be an interesting writing project.
deadline.com

Mark Harmon Returning To 'NCIS: Origins' As Gibbs For Season 3

Mark Harmon is returning to NCIS: Origins for a season-long arc.
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Really good one with OG Gibbs bookending it...
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Really good one with OG Gibbs bookending it...
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Will the OG Gibbs be on NCIS or will Tony be on NCIS Origins?
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

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Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


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An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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NCIS

Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Jimbo said:

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BIdMzUBHvjw?feature=share
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Tony as the director.🙄
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Howard Simmons said:
Tony as the director.🙄
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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OTHER  Mini Multiswitch

I just received 6 receiver 2 port mini Multiswitch and it work great, no external power need it, and you can connect 6 receiver instead of 4 on most Mini Multiswitches... If anyone is interested in where they can get one PM me....
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Have you tested using external power? Over the years, have found unpowered polarity switching to be unreliable. Especially problematic when used with DiSEqC motors or switch stacking.
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No I have not. I just got it the other day and it is connected to six receivers working just fine. What I do is non power mini multi-switches work best with LNBF's and with LNB's
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It also has a IPS and a OPS switch on the side of it with a power led light showing when is on. It seems to be very nice build switch
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Dish 4K Event Listings (No Discussion)

This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Wednesday 10-14, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
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MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Thursday 10-15, 6PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
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CFB, Notre Dame at BYU, Saturday 10-27, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
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NASCAR, Freeway Insurance 500, Sunday 10-18, 12PM PDT, Channel 148-04.
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CFB, Ohio State at Indiana, Saturday 10-17, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Yeah. It's probably something going on with the MacBook as my iPhone has been pretty snappy.
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I have been optimizing the site the past few days... and got us here now. :) We are rocking now!

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Foxbat said:
Yeah. It's probably something going on with the MacBook as my iPhone has been pretty snappy.
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I rebooted my MacBook Air and it's zipping right along. Sorry, but it was taking over 20 seconds to load pages, with the pulsing blue bars so it was munching on something.
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
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WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
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Man falls to his death on roller coaster at 6 Flags in GA

Can't help but wonder if a worker overlooked checking the harness. I rarely ride a roller coaster anymore but when I do I check the harness myself pretty aggressively.
Can't imagine what the son is going through.

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Dad levitated and bled then fell to his death from coaster

Eyewitnesses have shared fresh details of the horrific accident that happened at Six Flags Over Georgia on Monday afternoon.
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Back on the Goliath Roller Coaster ... I'm interested to find more details as well ...
Like where on the track did this happen (somewhere I read that it was on the climb up the top), which is impossible ...

They really need to take that ride and add at the very least, seatbelts ...

The Park is opening back up on Friday, the ride will Not be opening ... personally, I would keep it closed until different type of restraints can be designed and installed (over the winter).

I find it hard to believe that this ride is even allowed to be running with the restraints that exist at the moment, there are other rides that use the same type and they have been shut down across the country.

You got to believe that every ride has at least 2 types of restraint systems in place.

I wonder what and when we will hear from the Manufacturer ... and whatever governing bodies control these ...

Just think, this is a Major Amusement Park .... I would not have any problem getting on the Roller Coasters I have rode ...

Imagine what these County Fairs and others like them, I would not be caught Dead on one of them ... they get put up and tore down every other week, where is the safety for those rides ... No Thank You.
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Could B&M’s Patent on the “Clamshell” Ride Restraint Design Offer Clues as to What Happened on Goliath at Six Flags Over Georgia?

Incredibly sad news out of Six Flags Over Georgia as it’s being reported one man was killed after being ejected from Goliath, the B&M hyper coaster. Many news outlets have posted pictures of pe…
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Jimbo said:
I would not be caught Dead on one of them
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Yet IF you were on one, you might be caught dead.
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Jimbo said:
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Could B&M’s Patent on the “Clamshell” Ride Restraint Design Offer Clues as to What Happened on Goliath at Six Flags Over Georgia?

Incredibly sad news out of Six Flags Over Georgia as it’s being reported one man was killed after being ejected from Goliath, the B&M hyper coaster. Many news outlets have posted pictures of pe…
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Had no idea there were that many redundancies built into those restraints.
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dishstaller said:
Had no idea there were that many redundancies built into those restraints.
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It makes sense, however, I would want more types of restraints, so if one doesn't work, the other does ... the restraints coming over the shoulder I would have expected ... with a Seat belt as last resort.

Fwiw, I inquired with what they use on Coasters at Cedar Point, various Coasters, different restraints according to what the car and track requires ...

NONE of the Coasters at CP use THAT particular system :)
I'm glad to see ...
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Jimbo said:
with a Seat belt as last resort.
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According to the article, when you see a seat belt on a ride like this, it is basically used as a way of making sure the rider isn't too large/fat to safely ride the ride.
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Kenwood TM-D750 vs ICOM ID-5200: Don't Buy One Before Watching This!

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