Oh, right, of course, because the geo is powering the lnbf.
Time for a replacement receiver then because that's too much for me
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What I did was to lock W5 in the geosat settings so that when I menu to satellite pointing, my dish moves and the signal comes into the dsr410.
Since there aren't any channels I can pick up on the w5 bird, I'm not even sure how I would use it to tune to one or the other polarity and sounds like too much work anyhow so guess I need to find a replacement.
Guess I'll start looking. I wish there were more choices rather than this old dsr410.