Forum restructure???

[gardo403]

Ok, some people may think I'm nuts... but I'll suggest it anyway......

The "4dtv forum" should be right out front with the main providers...

If I had known sooner about it, I would have skipped the whole DN DTV shopping around thing, and just picked out the Channels I actually watch...

It seems to me that the 4dtv Section is buried in the back closet!!!

 

[trinidex]

Not a bad idea.

I've never thought it belonged in FTA

 

[Mr Tony]

Why wouldnt it belong in FTA? You can get DCII FTA too

Originally it was part of the C-Band area but then we had too much confusion between 4DTV & regular C-Band. So we broke it off to its own area and moved most of the 4DTV stuff ot its own area.

The 4DTV is not "buried in the back closet" as you put it. It clearly says on the front page
"Discussion of KU and C Band Free to Air (FTA) Satellite Equipment and reception"

so folks can see it. We are right there with the Dish & Directv area in on easy to find spot

 

[TMair]

I don't really have a problem with where it is at, I generaly start with FTA shack, then go the C band, then 4Dtv, there are threads in all of them that I keep track of.
Terry

 

[wallyhts]

I think that it should be on the main providers. Only because perhaps it could add more subs.

With respect Iceberg there is not much DCII fta and its not like DVB its a pain to get which makes it a fun hobby.

However I believe their are some people how have no idea that 4dtv is even available.

 

[B.J.]

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With respect Iceberg there is not much DCII fta and its not like DVB its a pain to get which makes it a fun hobby.
...

There are hundreds of FTA DCII channels. Yes, there are fewer DCII than DVB, but there are also fewer encrypted DCIIs too, so the argument that DCII FTA is insignificant is more appropriately a reason not even to have a 4DTV section, because the lifetime of subscription 4DTV is certainly limited, while FTA DCII will be around longer than subscription 4DTV.

Putting the 4DTV section up front would basically mean that it wouldn't be read by a large percentage of the viewers here, who skip the main entrance and go straight to the FTA section. It would end up being orphaned.

What I would prefer to see, is something like what they used to have at the Sadoun forum back when I read that (not sure if it's still that way or not, as I haven't read that group for a couple years, but I know that they changed it a bit forcing you to see some advertising sub-forums that you couldn't unselect... ), but they had a function where you could select the various sub-forums you were interested in, and there was a setting where it would give you all the NEW messages from each of your selected sub forums. That way, you don't have to load up each of a half dozen sub forums (which takes a good 5 minutes for them to load for me, thanks to all the annoying advertisements) just to see what messages are available. I could load up the one new messages page, which would have new messages from ALL the subforums I've selected. Not sure that this might already be available here, but I couldn't find the option.
But if there were a function like this to display all or new messages from selected sub forums, it wouldn't matter to people where the forum was actually located in the tree structure.

 

[wallyhts]

Function where you could select the various sub-forums you were interested in, and there was a setting where it would give you all the NEW messages from each of your selected sub forums.

I really like that idea and would enjoy that Function.

 

[trinidex]

Why wouldnt it belong in FTA? You can get DCII FTA too

Perhaps my ignorance, but I don't get any FTA DCII stuff - wish I did...

Off to read more

 

[gardo403]

I guess it is what it is.. or, is where it is

I gotta see these 100's of fta DC2 channels.. I know nobody can list them.. Im guessing they don't show up in the guide, thats why people don't know there even there....

To be fair everyone had valid points on the place of 4dtv...
My main point was the fact that it is also a "Superscription Service"

 

[tvropro]

There is FTA DC-2 stuff out there between the American and Canadian satellites. You have to look through the satellites with a 4D to find them all. The main cable channels are subscription or not available to us.

 

[B.J.]

Perhaps my ignorance, but I don't get any FTA DCII stuff - wish I did...

Off to read more

You need a DCII capable receiver. There are 2 types of FTA DCII, FP and ZK. ZK is not encrypted at all, and FP is encrypted with a fixed key that is known to GI/Mot receivers.
A 4DTV will work for most FTA FP and ZK signals
Commercial GI/MOT DCII receivers will also work on FP and ZK DCII signals.
A Genpix receiver, will do ZK DCII signals, but not FP signals, but it also does a lot of other modes.
There is another non GI/MOT DCII receiver, but I can't remember it's name off hand. I think it also only does ZK.
Basically when we say FTA, we're really just saying that the signals are free, but you need the appropriate receiver. There are free signals that are DVB, DCII and DSS, but generally only DVB receivers do the DVB FTA, and only DCII capable receivers do the DCII FTA, and only DSS capable receivers do the DSS FTA. The Genpix is the closest thing to a receiver that does all three.

 

[melgarga]

Yes there is a means to set your preferred forums on this board. Look at your user control panel ----> Edit Options ---> Forums To Exclude From View.

I love it. I wouldnt have it any other way now.

As to the PITA ads and such BJ, Google and dl the pre-configured Host file and put it on your Windoze machine(s). You can easily add add'l annoying IPs you discover to the list to get redirected as well. It's another thing I'll never browse the web without again.

If you run Opera, it has a right click, block content feature. Very handy for instantly killing annoying slow loading ads you happen across. Opera also allows adding a selectable .js that kills Flash from executing. Handy for those site builders and posters that think the whole world has a T1 connection and wants to load a bunch of Flash/Shockwave crap just to be able to read a page.

Javascript and Flash abusers should be punished by being banned not just from the internet, but from the entire planet.
.....but then again, I support capital punishment, and believe the Concealed Carry Permit should be changed to the UNconcealed Carry Permit