FOX O&O to carry H&I

mikew

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Yip...Pay Sat. I didn't realize so much was available FTA. I've considered setting that up, but I'm a bit too lazy. I recently purchased several Tivos with their big special. Tomorrow is my last official day with DirecTV. I could almost cut the cord, but my wife likes Hallmark and LMN. Don't want to squeeze out her entertainment. I have a collection of Tom and Jerry DVDs and Looney Toons (24 DVDs). I ripped them onto a Plex server and find the Tivo interface is terrific with those (that would settle the need for boomerang). I'm in a great spot for OTA, so someday I may just cut the cord.
 
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localclassictvfan

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not to nitpick but RetroTV (RTV formerly RTN) is older than ThisTV. RTN would probably be the first
When they went to this hd stuff and i had the rabbit ears this and retro was on together. I'll take your word and go with it. Funny when Me launched it was a matter of time Retro was soon to be gone. Cant get Delta and Chuckster to add decades or Movies but Dumb Ass added Soul of the South on 50.3 and was gonna drop this for that stupid Black Station and never launch Bounce. So glad Souled out of the South is gone but now he wont add nothing while everyone else says they gonna bust wide open with 6 channels more in January. Nonetheless and move on from the Bullsh!t talk, SORRY, I miss Retro now more than ever and this K39JV tower north of Opelousas is one of Luken's transmitters but nothing has launched. Now we wait to see if Nexstar goes postal on Media General
 

Mr Tony

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When they went to this hd stuff and i had the rabbit ears this and retro was on together. I'll take your word and go with it.
ThisTV launched in 08
RetroTV was back in 05 (I watched it launch on Free to air...it was on some stations owned at the time by Equity Broadcasting)
http://www.satelliteguys.us/xen/threads/rtv-programming.306904/

Funny when Me launched it was a matter of time Retro was soon to be gone.
It took a while for MeTV to get the foothold that they had. One big thing was the programming shift between RTV and MeTV.
RTV had good programming at the beginning but ran out of money so they get whats left over
 
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HoTat2

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Sure wish TMS would get on the ball and add the H&I channel and guide data on 13-4 KCOP (a FOX O&O) here in LA to their OTA listing so I can properly use my OTA TIVO. Instead of just a "TBA" in the guide.

Anyone got an email address for complaints to TMS? I use to have one years ago now long lost. Or do they no longer accept inquiries from the general public as all I see for contact today are for commercial customers.

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Usually you get the new diginets on FTA Sat before OTA. On Sat you also get the alternate versions of the diginet channels too, that you OTA guys will never see. We don't have to wait for the diginets to become available in our town as with OTA. H&I Alternate channel was actually way better than the main channel, but it went away recently.

So I have to disagree if you meant FTA Sat, there is actually more subchannel excitement and availability on Sat then OTA in a single market. Here is a list off the top of my head, I may have left a few out:

AMG
Auto
Bounce
Buzzr
Cozi
Decades
Escape
FGO
Grit
H&I (and H&I ALT until recently)
Heartland
Ion
Justice
LAFF
MeTV1
METV2
Movies!
MyTV
Outside
CW
12 channels of PBS
Pursuit
PBJ
Qubo
Retro E
Retro W
Revn
Many Spanish Diginets
This
Tuff
Then I add AntennaTV via OTA and the lineup is just about complete.

If you meant pay sat, then we are probably in agreement.
Great, except as with all movable dish satellite systems hasn't the main inherent drawback always been they are really only suitable for single TV households?

I mean if one viewer wants to watch a diginet on one satellite and someone else that's on another ... then... ?

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Great, except as with all movable dish satellite systems hasn't the main inherent drawback always been they are really only suitable for single TV households?

I mean if one viewer wants to watch a diginet on one satellite and someone else that's on another ... then... ?

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I have no movable dishes for the reason you mention. I also have multiswitches to feed up to 8 TVs. All TVs can watch any satellite at any time.

I can get 97W Ku, 118W Ku, 95W KU, 125W Ku, 97W C, 99W C (soon), 101W C, 103W C, and 105W C, on 4 Ku dishes and two C band dishes, with no motors involved. My 10 Foot dish has 3 lnbf's where my 8 footer will have two (99W, 103W) within the next week.
I am also lucky to get two OTA markets in opposite directions on one antenna without a rotor.
Having motors on a dish or antenna would not work for me as everyone would be stuck watching the same set of channels as you mentioned.
 
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Mr Tony

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Sure wish TMS would get on the ball and add the H&I channel and guide data on 13-4 KCOP (a FOX O&O) here in LA to their OTA listing so I can properly use my OTA TIVO. Instead of just a "TBA" in the guide.

Anyone got an email address for complaints to TMS? I use to have one years ago now long lost. Or do they no longer accept inquiries from the general public as all I see for contact today are for commercial customers.

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submit a request on Tivo. They are usually pretty quick

There use to be a email on zap2it. I think it was feedback@zap2it.com
 

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I have no movable dishes for the reason you mention. I also have multiswitches to feed up to 8 TVs. All TVs can watch any satellite at any time.

I can get 97W Ku, 118W Ku, 95W KU, 125W Ku, 97W C, 99W C (soon), 101W C, 103W C, and 105W C, on 4 Ku dishes and two C band dishes, with no motors involved. My 10 Foot dish has 3 lnbf's where my 8 footer will have two (99W, 103W) within the next week.
I am also lucky to get two OTA markets in opposite directions on one antenna without a rotor.
Having motors on a dish or antenna would not work for me as everyone would be stuck watching the same set of channels as you mentioned.
Ok, but of course there's no way most people can or would want to construct a dish farm like that on their residence. To say the home's aesthetics would be severely impacted is a ridiculous understatement. :)

Just like in my case here I could probably get the other property owners to allow one FTA dish on a H-H mount if everyone could benefit from it. But that would be pretty much it. And that wouldn't help a home with six TVs in use right now.

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Ok, but of course there's no way most people can or would want to construct a dish farm like that on their residence. To say the home's aesthetics would be severely impacted is a ridiculous understatement.

Widely scattered on relatively large, secluded wooded property out in the country. You never see more than 2 dishes at a time. Integrated in with the property pretty well. ROI was realized in less than a year, and saving $150 per month with free TV now, that makes them beautiful to me.

Like I said you can use multiple LNBFs on one or two dishes with multiswitches and feed many TVs without a motor as a supplement to an OTA antenna and have a pretty decent setup if large or many dishes are not allowed..

So there are many creative ways to setup one or two small Ku dishes with multiple LNBFs and hide them from view. In the past I have put them totally out of view behind and in rows of bushes/trees where you just prune a slot to peek out to the sky. This method of course would not work with motorized dishes. As seen with many peoples dish setups on this board, if there's a will there's a way.
The Cband setups here on small dishes are fascinating too.

If you have an interest to get into Ku in a small way to start off, there are plenty of us in the FTA section to help. Just let us know what your viewing interests are and we will try to help.

My setup may be extreme by some standards but with careful planning, and plenty of property to play with, it does not have to look like CIA headquarters! :biggrin
Its nice to have too many choices now, and I enjoy getting most of the country's retro type channels, all but about one I would guess with FTA and OTA together. And it's a fun and rewarding hobby too.
 
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HoTat2

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Ok, the email to Zap2It should work (l hope) ... Though it will take around 3-4 weeks. Boo ... And you can't really contact KCOP (MyTV). It's run by KTTV 11, both FOX O&Os as I explained to them. But anyway. ..

Hello;

Can you inform Tribune Media Services to update the OTA programming information for the LA, CA market ( my zip 90037) to include the new Heroes & Icons channel recently launched on local KCOP-DT 13-4 (MyTV, a FOX O&O station) on 10/1/15?

This is needed so both my TIVO and DIRECTV services can add this to their OTA guides which are critical for proper DVR functionality.

Also as shown in the Zap2It guide listings. The TMS info. needs correction in this area of our market. The sub-channel for KTTV 11-2 (FOX), which actually comes from KCOP's transmitter, is now KCOP 13-4 which carries the H&I channel. And KTTV 11-3 has been long discontinued.

Thanks for your attention and any help you can offer in this matter. Plus contact me for any further information if needed.

Regards;

H.T.

They responded back;

Dear Zap2it User,

Thank you for taking the time to send this message. We will contact KCOP to get programming information for their new channel and then update our lineups. This process typically takes 3-4 weeks.

Best regards,

The Zap2it Customer Service Team

(EC)




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I know Tribune is usually really quick on getting that fixed. I've seen changes within a week (and this was a PSIP numbering issue on a translator station)
 

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I know Tribune is usually really quick on getting that fixed. I've seen changes within a week (and this was a PSIP numbering issue on a translator station)
Got it!

TMS added H&I guide info. sometime yesterday afternoon PST and TIVO added it sometime early this afternoon.

Took some doing to help the process along, but all is good now for H&I here.

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