SatelliteGuys.US DishNetwork Uplink Discussion - Week Ending 06/23/2007

Mr.Pinkeye

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I took temporary as right now, which now that I think about it isnt going to be the case and youre right.
As long as temp is 2 mo's I guess it isnt the end of the world.

It could be that "temporary" means until they turn them into MPEG-4 channels. I hope not, though. Making these channels look worse is not the way to get people to sign on for the bigger HD package.

If anything they should be making these channels look as good as possible, to get people excited about getting more of the same (which might be bait and switch, so maybe not...)
 

gadgtfreek

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It could be that "temporary" means until they turn them into MPEG-4 channels. I hope not, though. Making these channels look worse is not the way to get people to sign on for the bigger HD package.

If anything they should be making these channels look as good as possible, to get people excited about getting more of the same (which might be bait and switch, so maybe not...)

How long does the mpeg4 conversion take? I took Scotts post of "temporary" as not too long. But thats just my take.

I agree, that a prolonged pq decline is bad, people will start getting angry.
 

EvilEuro

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9460 ( SHOHD )

Mission: Impossible III ( 06/21/2007 12:01pm -- 0:02 )

<< Program Description >>

Movie. Tom Cruise, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Ving Rhames. (2006) Now a trainer for IMF recruits, agent Ethan Hunt squares off against the toughest foe he has ever faced: a ruthless arms and information broker. (HD) (CC) (Stereo)
<< Stream Information >>

Video: 1440x1080 at 29.97fps
Audio: AC3 48kHz at 384Kbs, offset: -0.005378 s
Bytes Processed: 95870976 of Total Bytes: 95870976
Stream Play Length: 0:01:11:29
Proccessing Rate: 17.43 MBs

<< End Log File >>
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<< Extract Log File >>
<< Program Information >>

9430 ( SHOHD )

Mission: Impossible III ( 06/21/2007 12:00pm -- 0:01 )

<< Program Description >>

Movie. Tom Cruise, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Ving Rhames. (2006) Now a trainer for IMF recruits, agent Ethan Hunt squares off against the toughest foe he has ever faced: a ruthless arms and information broker. (HD) (CC) (Stereo)
<< Stream Information >>

Video: 1920x1080 at 29.97fps
Audio: AC3 48kHz at 384Kbs, offset: -0.015778 s
Bytes Processed: 96854016 of Total Bytes: 96854016
Stream Play Length: 0:00:50:19
Proccessing Rate: 16.14 MBs

<< End Log File >>

I'm sorry, but am I reading it correctly that Showtime on 9430 is coming through at a full resolution of 1920x1080i and at 16MBs while Showtime on 9460 is coming through at 1440x1080i at 17.4MBs? I didn't think that there were any channels coming through at 1920x1080i.

Interesting. Now I'll have to take a look at those two when I go home.
 

goaliebob99

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There are some MPEG 2 channels coming in at full res yes. It has always bee like that. It seems as of Recent only MPEG4 programming is HD Lite. Untill this switch around. The 16MBs is not the true bitrate. The real bitrate is around half of that. The 16mbs you see is the processing rate of the pc that the sample was created on.
 

digiblur

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I'm sorry, but am I reading it correctly that Showtime on 9430 is coming through at a full resolution of 1920x1080i and at 16MBs while Showtime on 9460 is coming through at 1440x1080i at 17.4MBs? I didn't think that there were any channels coming through at 1920x1080i.

Interesting. Now I'll have to take a look at those two when I go home.

Yes, DiscoveryHD, ShoHD, HBOHD, PPVHD, and TNTHD were 1920x1080i up until a few days ago.

Looks like the only 1920x1080i left is on 148W.

Everything is now 1440x1080i except for the VOOMS. I suspect they will go to 1440x1080i in August.
 

roachxp

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I think E* will be adding more HD real soon, because if they don't Cablevision will be the HD leader come June 28th with 40 HD channel according to their press release.

:hungry:
 

gadgtfreek

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This better be temporary. I will not be a happy camper if the res is left this way?

If your talking about 1440 vs 1980, I just wonder if you can actually "see" a difference. I know its the point of it that matters, plus Im not disagreeing with you, just wondering myself.

I think E* will be adding more HD real soon, because if they don't Cablevision will be the HD leader come June 28th with 40 HD channel according to their press release.

:hungry:

This is true.
 

mike123abc

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Well with 1 free TP on 110, and soon to have 2 free VOOM TPs they could add 15-18 new HD channels if they wanted to do so...
 

db2

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If your talking about 1440 vs 1980, I just wonder if you can actually "see" a difference. I know its the point of it that matters, plus Im not disagreeing with you, just wondering myself.

If the display you're using is capable of full 1920x1080 resolution AND you're sitting close enough to it, yes. Otherwise, no. I would venture to say 90%+ viewers do not fulfill both of those qualifications...yet. As more people purchase large 1080p displays we may see that change.
 

gadgtfreek

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If the display you're using is capable of full 1920x1080 resolution AND you're sitting close enough to it, yes. Otherwise, no. I would venture to say 90%+ viewers do not fulfill both of those qualifications...yet.

Ah ok. Being Im 12ft away from a 46" 720p, doubt id notice. But I still understand the argument of "why 1440 instead of 1920".
 

gadgtfreek

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Dont know if you guys saw the announcement, but HBO will go mpeg4 in 2008 and REQUIRE providers to boradcast the full bitrate of 8mbps. 8 seems low.
 

digiblur

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Ah ok. Being Im 12ft away from a 46" 720p, doubt id notice. But I still understand the argument of "why 1440 instead of 1920".

You shouldn't notice on a 720p display.

Dont know if you guys saw the announcement, but HBO will go mpeg4 in 2008 and REQUIRE providers to boradcast the full bitrate of 8mbps. 8 seems low.

8mbps isn't low for MPEG4. Comparing 8mbps to the current MPEG4 bit rates on national HD, that's a pretty good number.
 

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