All TiVo needs to do is claim contempt of court if the ViP series isn't more than colorably different from the eight I listed earlier. No new action would be needed.whatchel1 said:
Tivo Time Warp Patent is Valid according to PTO
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I'll defer to Greg Bimson since he accurately portrayed the course of events in this case and, more importantly, I find myself getting ill merely talking about this case again. I think I've had all the Tivo vs EchoStar I can stomach for one lifetime.
Thanks for the clarification all - I re-read Greg's post and realize he's saying almost the opposite of what I was suggesting. Although Greg's opinions on the subject over the past few years have been correct more often than not, I hope whatchel1 and harshness have it right this time
all this means is that Charlie will pay a little more for TiVO when he gets around to buying it.
No, not while there are still rubes, fanboys and their ilk spreading misinformation. These people often spend 90% of their time posting in one particular forum (e.g., like the Dish Network forum) and are incapable of linear thinking due to sipping kook-aid and viewing life through puce-colored glasses. Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion, but I don't much care for these types because they ignore the rules, associate with other like-minded individuals, and cowardly attack others (and proudly display this fact in their signature line) who do not agree with their shallow range of experiences - you know the type.So does that mean we won't see you posting anymore?
I hate seeing disputes like this, customers or subscribers always lose, that is just my opinion.
No, not while there are still rubes, fanboys and their ilk spreading misinformation. These people often spend 90% of their time posting in one particular forum (e.g., like the Dish Network forum) and are incapable of linear thinking due to sipping kook-aid and viewing life through puce-colored glasses. Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion, but I don't much care for these types because they ignore the rules, associate with other like-minded individuals, and cowardly attack others (and proudly display this fact in their signature line) who do not agree with their shallow range of experiences - you know the type.
No I can't say I do.
I stay here cause I have E* and know it's better than going to forums where I know nothing about the equipment like some that left ages ago. In fact there's a mod that should not post over here as he has forgotten what it's like to have a good single HD DVR as where he went it takes 2 to do the same as a VIP. BTW it sure is fun to jerk some peoples chains. I just express in my signature the truth about howling fire in a crowded building. 
Judges can rule either way. The PTO ruling has nothing to do w/ the en banc. If the mods make it so that they feel it no longer infringes then TIVO is up the creek w/o a paddle.
Hey its really no problem E can just jack up the receiver fees more to pay the settlement......
Fees dont appear to matter.........
Fees dont appear to matter.........
I can't read it but I bet Bob said something about raising fees. Since he is a 1 trick pony I would be willing to bet on that one.
They already did jack up the fees. Charlie is banking that cash for the inevitable settlement .
ALL of these models are still very much active & have not been slated for replacement (yet)...
Just to understand the course of events...
The eight models I listed earlier are the only models in question at this point. There is no sense even worrying about other models because the injunction is currently stayed.
The only time to even get a glimmer of worry? If the court finds Dish Network's course of action as contempt, and then reinstates the injunction. We'd have to see if Dish Network would then intend of following the injunction. If they do, then Dish Network will have stopped DVR functionality in the eight models listed. If that actually happens, that means the ViP receivers are the only DVR's Dish Network has in their stable. And of course, if the ViP series is merely colorably different from those found infringing, then TiVo will be back in Judge Folsom's court asking for contempt, for sales and use of a product that infringes in basically the same manner as the eight found infringing.
In other words, there's plenty of time.
The eight models I listed earlier are the only models in question at this point. There is no sense even worrying about other models because the injunction is currently stayed.
The only time to even get a glimmer of worry? If the court finds Dish Network's course of action as contempt, and then reinstates the injunction. We'd have to see if Dish Network would then intend of following the injunction. If they do, then Dish Network will have stopped DVR functionality in the eight models listed. If that actually happens, that means the ViP receivers are the only DVR's Dish Network has in their stable. And of course, if the ViP series is merely colorably different from those found infringing, then TiVo will be back in Judge Folsom's court asking for contempt, for sales and use of a product that infringes in basically the same manner as the eight found infringing.
In other words, there's plenty of time.
No, not while there are still rubes, fanboys and their ilk spreading misinformation. These people often spend 90% of their time posting in one particular forum (e.g., like the Dish Network forum) and are incapable of linear thinking due to sipping kook-aid and viewing life through puce-colored glasses. Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion, but I don't much care for these types because they ignore the rules, associate with other like-minded individuals, and cowardly attack others (and proudly display this fact in their signature line) who do not agree with their shallow range of experiences - you know the type.
Hey, he just described you, whatchel!
How about that?
And you know what he is just like you too. And we had a little discussion via PM's. It was almost as much fun as talking to you. Of course we won't talk about that here. I won't say anything more about that since I don't want to embarrass anyone.
:haha:haha Now watch your blood pressure don't want you to get upset and start saying things you will regret. Just laugh it off and we will be adults here. And if you didn't notice at the end of his description there was a cute little wink. So he was cool about things.
