VIP Receiver Retirement
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Well I tried. Enjoy your VIP receiver till they pry it from your cold,dead hands.
I'm losing the train of this conversation. Which receiver has no component outputs? Wally? Joey? Hopper?
Wally and Joey have no component outputs. Hopper has them.
Wally has that. (yellow, white, red RCA output) The discussion was about what the Wally does not have. (red, blue, green component video output)
Also, to round out the Hopper compatible equipment, the 211k has them, the 211z does not.
That was the main goal of the digital transition and the advent of high definition. To put stronger controls on copy protection and erode away fair use laws and the capability of recording such content. Recorded content is now mostly locked to having an existing subscription to a pay-TV service (your DVR, streaming service).
HD was the eye candy used to lure customers to the windowless van of fair use recording.
Yes, I will hold on to my ViP equipment with my cold, dead hands to avoid that van.
HD was the eye candy used to lure customers to the windowless van of fair use recording.
Yes, I will hold on to my ViP equipment with my cold, dead hands to avoid that van.
My deactivated 512 still records Perry Mason episodes from FETV just fine without any need for a pay-tv subscription.
Exactly my point. Would you be able to do that now with deactivated more modern equipment? Or even play previously recorded DVR content?My deactivated 512 still records Perry Mason episodes from FETV just fine without any need for a pay-tv subscription.
With a ViP? Yes, as long as it still has the purple G3 Smart Card, and has been kept connected to a satellite signal the entire time. It is the white G4 Smart Card that takes away the ability to watch and record free channels on deactivated equipment, and Flex Pack is the eye candy being used to lure customers to white G4 Smart Cards.
Good point, but I was referring to the "more modern" Hopper equipment. So those mocking my holding on to older equipment by equating it to analog cell phones just don't get it, and are already locked inside that windowless van. At least component gives me a window I can crawl out of, and I'm not just limited to free channels.
As far as I know, every Hopper came with a white G4 Smart Card, which is why I did not mention them.
I don't have a white G4 Smart Card in my Hopper 3s. No cards at all.
That is new enough that the card is built-in, and it is at least a G4 card, if not newer. If you log into your online mydish account and see Flex Pack listed as an available option to switch to, then you have at least a G4.
Your Smart Cards are built in, so to speak. There is a slot for new ones, should the need ever arise, on the left side of the receiver. My original 722 was the same way. Dish sent me a new card and I slipped it into the empty slot.
I'll bet the 411 does likewise since it was basically a 211 w/o a network interface.
Interesting. I had my 722 and both 612's fail one way or another and Dish replaced them. I am now on the white smart cards on all 3 receivers independently of the existence of Flex Pack.
Yes, the 411 had component outputs. You probably won't see many 411s out there though!
It is the carrot-and-the-stick approach. If Dish doesn't get you with the carrot (introducing new Hoppers (with new features) or new programming packages (that require the G4 card) to tempt you to switch) then they will get you with the stick (forcing you to replace your old equipment).Interesting. I had my 722 and both 612's fail one way or another and Dish replaced them. I am now on the white smart cards on all 3 receivers independently of the existence of Flex Pack.
