On Jan 21, 2005, at 10:46 AM, VOOM@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> From: David Lay <dlayphoto@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>
> because even without an hdtv set, the PQ/sounds is WAY better than
> cable...
>
> Robert Heitner wrote:
>
>> If you don't have an HDtv, why on earth did you sign up for Voom!????
Same here - I'm planning to get one, but I don't have one yet. PQ and
audio is better than the local cable for about the same price.
If Voom croaks, it will be because of bad marketing. Most people don't
even know that it exists.
I mean the reason why ESPN2 HD was not added on 01/06 was probably
because of the pending sale to E*.. Up to date VOOM has added every
HD channel on the day it was launched except this one. What do I
know, just a thought
--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> Berockin.
> Not sure I follow you.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "berockin1" <berockin1@y...>
> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 8:45 AM
> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>
>
> >
> >
> > This was probably the reason why VOOM was NOT the 1st to offer
ESPN2
> > HD. I cant believe this is happening ! I hope the next PR has
more
> > info on what's exactly going to happen and when
> >
> >
> > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, David Lay <dlayphoto@s...> wrote:
> >> because even without an hdtv set, the PQ/sounds is WAY better
than
> > cable...
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Robert Heitner wrote:
> >>
> >> > If you don't have an HDtv, why on earth did you sign up for
> > Voom!????
> >> >
> >> > _____
> >> >
> >> > From: David Lay [mailto:dlayphoto@s...]
> >> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:20 AM
> >> > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I pay via credit card, but not through autopay...At any rate,
> > DirecTV
> >> > will cost me $50/month not $80/month that voom charges...
> >> >
> >> > Plus I don't have an HDTV anyway...
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Dave
> >> >
> >> > thegrod wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > David,
> >> > > Do you pay by credit card? If so, and your service was
> > prematurely and
> >> > > suddely terminated, you could contact your credit card
company
> > and get a
> >> > > refund because of non-delivery of services. Besides, how
much
> > could you
> >> > > really lose worst case? A partial month?
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "David Lay" <dlayphoto@s...>
> >> > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> >> > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:53 AM
> >> > > Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Very true...but until I hear something concrete as to the
> > status
> >> > of the
> >> > > > company, next months bill will remain on my desk...
> >> > > >
> >> > > > D* is being installed today!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Cheers,
> >> > > > Dave
> >> > > >
> >> > > > thegrod wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> Tim,
> >> > > >> I am willing to admit that I just don't know at this
point.
> > I wish
> >> > > others
> >> > > >> would do so too.
> >> > > >> I hope you are right. I think some of these strong
opinions
> > that
> >> > > VOOM is
> >> > > >> immediately dead come from the Sat guys forum. Frankly,
if
> > you go
> >> > > >> there and
> >> > > >> check it out, you will see that they have sensationalist
> > headlines
> >> > > >> like the
> >> > > >> National Enquirer. I strongly disagree with that
> > methodology. Unless
> >> > > >> they
> >> > > >> can say with authority that they know a lot more than the
> > rest of us
> >> > > >> via a
> >> > > >> direct pipeline to the powers that be. This is one of
the
> > dangers
> >> > > of the
> >> > > >> internet. Everyone gets to be a news reporter, but
unlike
> > the news
> >> > > >> media,
> >> > > >> there is no accountability and no need for responsible
> > reporting.
> >> > > Rumors
> >> > > >> fly and individual opinions are repeated enough to become
> > fact.
> >> > > >> I will wait for the situation to develop, read whatever I
> > can on the
> >> > > >> subject
> >> > > >> ( and there will be an abundance of reading material),
and
> > enjoy
> >> > > VOOM as
> >> > > >> long as it's up there and is reasonably priced. If it
ended
> >> > > tomorrow, it
> >> > > >> still was perfect for someone like me who got a 50" DLP
HDTV
> > 7
> >> > mmonths
> >> > > >> ago.
> >> > > >> It really has filled a void.
> >> > > >> I'd like to think that the signups have increased lately
> > based on the
> >> > > >> number
> >> > > >> of VOOM forum applications I've processed. VOOM spent a
lot
> > of money
> >> > > >> positioning themselves as the HDTV leader and advertised
very
> >> > > well. IF I
> >> > > >> bought the company I would not be so quick to throw all
that
> > out.
> >> > > >> We'll see.
> >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > >> From: "Timothy Fouts" <timothyfouts@m...>
> >> > > >> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> >> > > >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:44 PM
> >> > > >> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
Ranibow 1
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I still say Rainbow 1 is sold but Voom as a company is
not
> > sold.
> >> > Voom
> >> > > >> will lease the transponder space back from Dish as Sky
Angel
> > does
> >> > from
> >> > > >> Dish.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:46 AM, Bruce Grodner wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> > Keith,
> >> > > >> > I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in your
> > email to
> >> > > Bob is
> >> > > >> > based
> >> > > >> > on conjecture. Both yours and the WSJ reported.
> > Admittedly, good
> >> > > >> > points
> >> > > >> > are raised but if I paid that much for something,
which
> > we don't
> >> > > know
> >> > > >> > yet
> >> > > >> > exactly what that is that was purchased and what the
> > intimate
> >> > > details
> >> > > >> > of the
> >> > > >> > deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and make
> > any
> >> > changes.
> >> > > >> > They
> >> > > >> > have yet to put a team of management people on it,
check
> > the
> >> > books,
> >> > > >> > etc.
> >> > > >> > Have you ever bought a company? A company that size
will
> > require
> >> > > some
> >> > > >> > serious appraisal before anything changes. After a
period
> > of
> >> > review
> >> > > >> > there
> >> > > >> > will be a new game plan for sure. It will make
> > interesting
> >> > reading.
> >> > > >> > as
> >> > > >> > Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
> >> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > >> > From: "keithnet" <voom@k...>
> >> > > >> > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> >> > > >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
> >> > > >> > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
Ranibow 1
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > Bob,
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that
> > VOOM is
> >> > over?
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > Why would they continue the company without their
main
> > [and
> >> > > >> > currently
> >> > > >> > > only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's
> > satellite to
> >> > > keep the
> >> > > >> > > venture going?
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me
quote
> > the
> >> > > recently
> >> > > >> > > published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
> >> > > >> > > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom
> > satellite
> >> > > service
> >> > > >> > > and sell most of the assets of the money-losing
> > business to
> >> > > EchoStar
> >> > > >> > > Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> >
> > http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?
> >> > > >> > mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much
cash
> > and not
> >> > > >> > getting
> >> > > >> > > enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great
> > service, but
> >> > great
> >> > > >> > > things don't always last.
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > -Keith
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...>
> > wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think
you're
> >> > > exaggerting
> >> > > >> > a bit
> >> > > >> > > > Scott.
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite and
> > has a new
> >> > > >> > ground
> >> > > >> > > station
> >> > > >> > > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due
to
> > happen
> >> > right
> >> > > >> > > about the
> >> > > >> > > > time they promised an increase in channels for
March.
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I
doubt
> > he
> >> > sent out
> >> > > >> > the
> >> > > >> > > memo
> >> > > >> > > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about
to
> > be
> >> > > sold. My
> >> > > >> > > guess is
> >> > > >> > > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here
> > knows
> >> > > about yet.
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > Bob
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > >> > > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
> >> > > >> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
> >> > > >> > > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> >> > > >> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
> > Ranibow 1
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here.
> > Echostar did
> >> > > >> > > > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the
Rainbow 1
> >> > > >> > > > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM basically
> > will not
> >> > > >> > > > > exist when this deal goes through. VOOM has no
more
> >> > > >> > > > > satellite. It is just a matter of when the
> > satellite gets
> >> > > >> > turned off.
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > Scott
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod"
> > <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > > > They are not off the air so just hold your
> > horses. I
> >> > work in
> >> > > >> > the
> >> > > >> > > > > corporate
> >> > > >> > > > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in
these
> >> > situations.
> >> > > >> > And
> >> > > >> > > > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to pay
my
> > bill and
> >> > > >> > expect
> >> > > >> > > > > service
> >> > > >> > > > > > until I am told to do something different or
sent
> > a
> >> > > notice of
> >> > > >> > > > > termination of
> >> > > >> > > > > > services and a refund check for what i've
already
> > paid
> >> > out.
> >> > > >> > > > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it
> > conclusively
> >> > > >> > enumerates
> >> > > >> > > > > what is
> >> > > >> > > > > > going to happen and when. People have
purchased
> >> > equipment as
> >> > > >> > well
> >> > > >> > > > > as
> >> > > >> > > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be
> > considered.
> >> > There
> >> > > >> > are
> >> > > >> > > > > legal
> >> > > >> > > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to
hash
> > out.
> >> > > >> > > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of
their
> > original
> >> > > >> > > > > programming will
> >> > > >> > > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this
> > moment than
> >> > > >> > not. I
> >> > > >> > > > > might be
> >> > > >> > > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment
> > rather than
> >> > > >> > leased.
> >> > > >> > > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate
the
> > strong
> >> > > >> > possibility
> >> > > >> > > > > of some
> >> > > >> > > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could
be
> > wrong
> >> > > but to
> >> > > >> > > > > take care of
> >> > > >> > > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange
> > for
> >> > ptential
> >> > > >> > > > > monthly revenue
> >> > > >> > > > > > stream for the long term. And that's what
cable
> > and Sat TV
> >> > > >> > > > > providers are
> >> > > >> > > > > > really fighting over.....
> >> > > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > >> > > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> >> > > >> > > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> >> > > >> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> >> > > >> > > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication
Buys
> > Ranibow 1
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4
> > years VOOM.
> >> > > >> > > > > I enjoyed
> >> > > >> > > > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > Scott
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts
> >> > > <timothyfouts@m...>
> >> > > >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
> >> > > >> > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:01 PM, abcward wrote:
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But almost every provider seemed to screw up the ESPN 2 HD launch..
----- Original Message -----
From: "berockin1" <berockin1@yahoo.com>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:22 AM
Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>
>
> I mean the reason why ESPN2 HD was not added on 01/06 was probably
> because of the pending sale to E*.. Up to date VOOM has added every
> HD channel on the day it was launched except this one. What do I
> know, just a thought
>
> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
>> Berockin.
>> Not sure I follow you.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "berockin1" <berockin1@y...>
>> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 8:45 AM
>> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > This was probably the reason why VOOM was NOT the 1st to offer
> ESPN2
>> > HD. I cant believe this is happening ! I hope the next PR has
> more
>> > info on what's exactly going to happen and when
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, David Lay <dlayphoto@s...> wrote:
>> >> because even without an hdtv set, the PQ/sounds is WAY better
> than
>> > cable...
>> >>
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Robert Heitner wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > If you don't have an HDtv, why on earth did you sign up for
>> > Voom!????
>> >> >
>> >> > _____
>> >> >
>> >> > From: David Lay [mailto:dlayphoto@s...]
>> >> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:20 AM
>> >> > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
>> >> > Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I pay via credit card, but not through autopay...At any rate,
>> > DirecTV
>> >> > will cost me $50/month not $80/month that voom charges...
>> >> >
>> >> > Plus I don't have an HDTV anyway...
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers,
>> >> > Dave
>> >> >
>> >> > thegrod wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > David,
>> >> > > Do you pay by credit card? If so, and your service was
>> > prematurely and
>> >> > > suddely terminated, you could contact your credit card
> company
>> > and get a
>> >> > > refund because of non-delivery of services. Besides, how
> much
>> > could you
>> >> > > really lose worst case? A partial month?
>> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > From: "David Lay" <dlayphoto@s...>
>> >> > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:53 AM
>> >> > > Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Very true...but until I hear something concrete as to the
>> > status
>> >> > of the
>> >> > > > company, next months bill will remain on my desk...
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > D* is being installed today!
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Cheers,
>> >> > > > Dave
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > thegrod wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >> Tim,
>> >> > > >> I am willing to admit that I just don't know at this
> point.
>> > I wish
>> >> > > others
>> >> > > >> would do so too.
>> >> > > >> I hope you are right. I think some of these strong
> opinions
>> > that
>> >> > > VOOM is
>> >> > > >> immediately dead come from the Sat guys forum. Frankly,
> if
>> > you go
>> >> > > >> there and
>> >> > > >> check it out, you will see that they have sensationalist
>> > headlines
>> >> > > >> like the
>> >> > > >> National Enquirer. I strongly disagree with that
>> > methodology. Unless
>> >> > > >> they
>> >> > > >> can say with authority that they know a lot more than the
>> > rest of us
>> >> > > >> via a
>> >> > > >> direct pipeline to the powers that be. This is one of
> the
>> > dangers
>> >> > > of the
>> >> > > >> internet. Everyone gets to be a news reporter, but
> unlike
>> > the news
>> >> > > >> media,
>> >> > > >> there is no accountability and no need for responsible
>> > reporting.
>> >> > > Rumors
>> >> > > >> fly and individual opinions are repeated enough to become
>> > fact.
>> >> > > >> I will wait for the situation to develop, read whatever I
>> > can on the
>> >> > > >> subject
>> >> > > >> ( and there will be an abundance of reading material),
> and
>> > enjoy
>> >> > > VOOM as
>> >> > > >> long as it's up there and is reasonably priced. If it
> ended
>> >> > > tomorrow, it
>> >> > > >> still was perfect for someone like me who got a 50" DLP
> HDTV
>> > 7
>> >> > mmonths
>> >> > > >> ago.
>> >> > > >> It really has filled a void.
>> >> > > >> I'd like to think that the signups have increased lately
>> > based on the
>> >> > > >> number
>> >> > > >> of VOOM forum applications I've processed. VOOM spent a
> lot
>> > of money
>> >> > > >> positioning themselves as the HDTV leader and advertised
> very
>> >> > > well. IF I
>> >> > > >> bought the company I would not be so quick to throw all
> that
>> > out.
>> >> > > >> We'll see.
>> >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > >> From: "Timothy Fouts" <timothyfouts@m...>
>> >> > > >> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> > > >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:44 PM
>> >> > > >> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
> Ranibow 1
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> I still say Rainbow 1 is sold but Voom as a company is
> not
>> > sold.
>> >> > Voom
>> >> > > >> will lease the transponder space back from Dish as Sky
> Angel
>> > does
>> >> > from
>> >> > > >> Dish.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:46 AM, Bruce Grodner wrote:
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> > Keith,
>> >> > > >> > I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in your
>> > email to
>> >> > > Bob is
>> >> > > >> > based
>> >> > > >> > on conjecture. Both yours and the WSJ reported.
>> > Admittedly, good
>> >> > > >> > points
>> >> > > >> > are raised but if I paid that much for something,
> which
>> > we don't
>> >> > > know
>> >> > > >> > yet
>> >> > > >> > exactly what that is that was purchased and what the
>> > intimate
>> >> > > details
>> >> > > >> > of the
>> >> > > >> > deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and make
>> > any
>> >> > changes.
>> >> > > >> > They
>> >> > > >> > have yet to put a team of management people on it,
> check
>> > the
>> >> > books,
>> >> > > >> > etc.
>> >> > > >> > Have you ever bought a company? A company that size
> will
>> > require
>> >> > > some
>> >> > > >> > serious appraisal before anything changes. After a
> period
>> > of
>> >> > review
>> >> > > >> > there
>> >> > > >> > will be a new game plan for sure. It will make
>> > interesting
>> >> > reading.
>> >> > > >> > as
>> >> > > >> > Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
>> >> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > >> > From: "keithnet" <voom@k...>
>> >> > > >> > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> > > >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
>> >> > > >> > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
> Ranibow 1
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > Bob,
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that
>> > VOOM is
>> >> > over?
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > Why would they continue the company without their
> main
>> > [and
>> >> > > >> > currently
>> >> > > >> > > only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's
>> > satellite to
>> >> > > keep the
>> >> > > >> > > venture going?
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me
> quote
>> > the
>> >> > > recently
>> >> > > >> > > published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
>> >> > > >> > > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom
>> > satellite
>> >> > > service
>> >> > > >> > > and sell most of the assets of the money-losing
>> > business to
>> >> > > EchoStar
>> >> > > >> > > Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> >
>> > http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?
>> >> > > >> > mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much
> cash
>> > and not
>> >> > > >> > getting
>> >> > > >> > > enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great
>> > service, but
>> >> > great
>> >> > > >> > > things don't always last.
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > -Keith
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...>
>> > wrote:
>> >> > > >> > > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think
> you're
>> >> > > exaggerting
>> >> > > >> > a bit
>> >> > > >> > > > Scott.
>> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite and
>> > has a new
>> >> > > >> > ground
>> >> > > >> > > station
>> >> > > >> > > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due
> to
>> > happen
>> >> > right
>> >> > > >> > > about the
>> >> > > >> > > > time they promised an increase in channels for
> March.
>> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I
> doubt
>> > he
>> >> > sent out
>> >> > > >> > the
>> >> > > >> > > memo
>> >> > > >> > > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about
> to
>> > be
>> >> > > sold. My
>> >> > > >> > > guess is
>> >> > > >> > > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here
>> > knows
>> >> > > about yet.
>> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > Bob
>> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > >> > > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
>> >> > > >> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
>> >> > > >> > > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
>> >> > > >> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
>> > Ranibow 1
>> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here.
>> > Echostar did
>> >> > > >> > > > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the
> Rainbow 1
>> >> > > >> > > > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM basically
>> > will not
>> >> > > >> > > > > exist when this deal goes through. VOOM has no
> more
>> >> > > >> > > > > satellite. It is just a matter of when the
>> > satellite gets
>> >> > > >> > turned off.
>> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > Scott
>> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod"
>> > <bruceg@h...> wrote:
>> >> > > >> > > > > > They are not off the air so just hold your
>> > horses. I
>> >> > work in
>> >> > > >> > the
>> >> > > >> > > > > corporate
>> >> > > >> > > > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in
> these
>> >> > situations.
>> >> > > >> > And
>> >> > > >> > > > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to pay
> my
>> > bill and
>> >> > > >> > expect
>> >> > > >> > > > > service
>> >> > > >> > > > > > until I am told to do something different or
> sent
>> > a
>> >> > > notice of
>> >> > > >> > > > > termination of
>> >> > > >> > > > > > services and a refund check for what i've
> already
>> > paid
>> >> > out.
>> >> > > >> > > > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it
>> > conclusively
>> >> > > >> > enumerates
>> >> > > >> > > > > what is
>> >> > > >> > > > > > going to happen and when. People have
> purchased
>> >> > equipment as
>> >> > > >> > well
>> >> > > >> > > > > as
>> >> > > >> > > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be
>> > considered.
>> >> > There
>> >> > > >> > are
>> >> > > >> > > > > legal
>> >> > > >> > > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to
> hash
>> > out.
>> >> > > >> > > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of
> their
>> > original
>> >> > > >> > > > > programming will
>> >> > > >> > > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this
>> > moment than
>> >> > > >> > not. I
>> >> > > >> > > > > might be
>> >> > > >> > > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment
>> > rather than
>> >> > > >> > leased.
>> >> > > >> > > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate
> the
>> > strong
>> >> > > >> > possibility
>> >> > > >> > > > > of some
>> >> > > >> > > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could
> be
>> > wrong
>> >> > > but to
>> >> > > >> > > > > take care of
>> >> > > >> > > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange
>> > for
>> >> > ptential
>> >> > > >> > > > > monthly revenue
>> >> > > >> > > > > > stream for the long term. And that's what
> cable
>> > and Sat TV
>> >> > > >> > > > > providers are
>> >> > > >> > > > > > really fighting over.....
>> >> > > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > >> > > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
>> >> > > >> > > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> > > >> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
>> >> > > >> > > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication
> Buys
>> > Ranibow 1
>> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4
>> > years VOOM.
>> >> > > >> > > > > I enjoyed
>> >> > > >> > > > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
>> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > > Scott
>> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts
>> >> > > <timothyfouts@m...>
>> >> > > >> > > > > wrote:
>> >> > > >> > > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
>> >> > > >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > > > On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:01 PM, abcward wrote:
>> >> > > >> > > > > > >
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----- Original Message -----
From: "berockin1" <berockin1@yahoo.com>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:49 AM
Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>
>
> I know, but I didn't expect VOOM to be one of them.
>
> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
>> But almost every provider seemed to screw up the ESPN 2 HD launch..
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "berockin1" <berockin1@y...>
>> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:22 AM
>> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > I mean the reason why ESPN2 HD was not added on 01/06 was
> probably
>> > because of the pending sale to E*.. Up to date VOOM has added
> every
>> > HD channel on the day it was launched except this one. What do I
>> > know, just a thought
>> >
>> > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
>> >> Berockin.
>> >> Not sure I follow you.
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "berockin1" <berockin1@y...>
>> >> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 8:45 AM
>> >> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > This was probably the reason why VOOM was NOT the 1st to offer
>> > ESPN2
>> >> > HD. I cant believe this is happening ! I hope the next PR
> has
>> > more
>> >> > info on what's exactly going to happen and when
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, David Lay <dlayphoto@s...> wrote:
>> >> >> because even without an hdtv set, the PQ/sounds is WAY better
>> > than
>> >> > cable...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dave
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Robert Heitner wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > If you don't have an HDtv, why on earth did you sign up for
>> >> > Voom!????
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > _____
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > From: David Lay [mailto:dlayphoto@s...]
>> >> >> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:20 AM
>> >> >> > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
>> >> >> > Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow
> 1
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I pay via credit card, but not through autopay...At any
> rate,
>> >> > DirecTV
>> >> >> > will cost me $50/month not $80/month that voom charges...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Plus I don't have an HDTV anyway...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Cheers,
>> >> >> > Dave
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > thegrod wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > David,
>> >> >> > > Do you pay by credit card? If so, and your service was
>> >> > prematurely and
>> >> >> > > suddely terminated, you could contact your credit card
>> > company
>> >> > and get a
>> >> >> > > refund because of non-delivery of services. Besides, how
>> > much
>> >> > could you
>> >> >> > > really lose worst case? A partial month?
>> >> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > > From: "David Lay" <dlayphoto@s...>
>> >> >> > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> >> > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:53 AM
>> >> >> > > Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
> Ranibow 1
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Very true...but until I hear something concrete as to
> the
>> >> > status
>> >> >> > of the
>> >> >> > > > company, next months bill will remain on my desk...
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > D* is being installed today!
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Cheers,
>> >> >> > > > Dave
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > thegrod wrote:
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >> Tim,
>> >> >> > > >> I am willing to admit that I just don't know at this
>> > point.
>> >> > I wish
>> >> >> > > others
>> >> >> > > >> would do so too.
>> >> >> > > >> I hope you are right. I think some of these strong
>> > opinions
>> >> > that
>> >> >> > > VOOM is
>> >> >> > > >> immediately dead come from the Sat guys forum.
> Frankly,
>> > if
>> >> > you go
>> >> >> > > >> there and
>> >> >> > > >> check it out, you will see that they have
> sensationalist
>> >> > headlines
>> >> >> > > >> like the
>> >> >> > > >> National Enquirer. I strongly disagree with that
>> >> > methodology. Unless
>> >> >> > > >> they
>> >> >> > > >> can say with authority that they know a lot more than
> the
>> >> > rest of us
>> >> >> > > >> via a
>> >> >> > > >> direct pipeline to the powers that be. This is one of
>> > the
>> >> > dangers
>> >> >> > > of the
>> >> >> > > >> internet. Everyone gets to be a news reporter, but
>> > unlike
>> >> > the news
>> >> >> > > >> media,
>> >> >> > > >> there is no accountability and no need for responsible
>> >> > reporting.
>> >> >> > > Rumors
>> >> >> > > >> fly and individual opinions are repeated enough to
> become
>> >> > fact.
>> >> >> > > >> I will wait for the situation to develop, read
> whatever I
>> >> > can on the
>> >> >> > > >> subject
>> >> >> > > >> ( and there will be an abundance of reading material),
>> > and
>> >> > enjoy
>> >> >> > > VOOM as
>> >> >> > > >> long as it's up there and is reasonably priced. If it
>> > ended
>> >> >> > > tomorrow, it
>> >> >> > > >> still was perfect for someone like me who got a 50"
> DLP
>> > HDTV
>> >> > 7
>> >> >> > mmonths
>> >> >> > > >> ago.
>> >> >> > > >> It really has filled a void.
>> >> >> > > >> I'd like to think that the signups have increased
> lately
>> >> > based on the
>> >> >> > > >> number
>> >> >> > > >> of VOOM forum applications I've processed. VOOM spent
> a
>> > lot
>> >> > of money
>> >> >> > > >> positioning themselves as the HDTV leader and
> advertised
>> > very
>> >> >> > > well. IF I
>> >> >> > > >> bought the company I would not be so quick to throw
> all
>> > that
>> >> > out.
>> >> >> > > >> We'll see.
>> >> >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > > >> From: "Timothy Fouts" <timothyfouts@m...>
>> >> >> > > >> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> >> > > >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:44 PM
>> >> >> > > >> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
>> > Ranibow 1
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> I still say Rainbow 1 is sold but Voom as a company is
>> > not
>> >> > sold.
>> >> >> > Voom
>> >> >> > > >> will lease the transponder space back from Dish as Sky
>> > Angel
>> >> > does
>> >> >> > from
>> >> >> > > >> Dish.
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:46 AM, Bruce Grodner wrote:
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> > Keith,
>> >> >> > > >> > I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in
> your
>> >> > email to
>> >> >> > > Bob is
>> >> >> > > >> > based
>> >> >> > > >> > on conjecture. Both yours and the WSJ reported.
>> >> > Admittedly, good
>> >> >> > > >> > points
>> >> >> > > >> > are raised but if I paid that much for something,
>> > which
>> >> > we don't
>> >> >> > > know
>> >> >> > > >> > yet
>> >> >> > > >> > exactly what that is that was purchased and what
> the
>> >> > intimate
>> >> >> > > details
>> >> >> > > >> > of the
>> >> >> > > >> > deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and
> make
>> >> > any
>> >> >> > changes.
>> >> >> > > >> > They
>> >> >> > > >> > have yet to put a team of management people on it,
>> > check
>> >> > the
>> >> >> > books,
>> >> >> > > >> > etc.
>> >> >> > > >> > Have you ever bought a company? A company that size
>> > will
>> >> > require
>> >> >> > > some
>> >> >> > > >> > serious appraisal before anything changes. After a
>> > period
>> >> > of
>> >> >> > review
>> >> >> > > >> > there
>> >> >> > > >> > will be a new game plan for sure. It will make
>> >> > interesting
>> >> >> > reading.
>> >> >> > > >> > as
>> >> >> > > >> > Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
>> >> >> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > > >> > From: "keithnet" <voom@k...>
>> >> >> > > >> > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> >> > > >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
>> >> >> > > >> > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
>> > Ranibow 1
>> >> >> > > >> >
>> >> >> > > >> >
>> >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > Bob,
>> >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality
> that
>> >> > VOOM is
>> >> >> > over?
>> >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > Why would they continue the company without their
>> > main
>> >> > [and
>> >> >> > > >> > currently
>> >> >> > > >> > > only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's
>> >> > satellite to
>> >> >> > > keep the
>> >> >> > > >> > > venture going?
>> >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me
>> > quote
>> >> > the
>> >> >> > > recently
>> >> >> > > >> > > published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
>> >> >> > > >> > > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its
> Voom
>> >> > satellite
>> >> >> > > service
>> >> >> > > >> > > and sell most of the assets of the money-losing
>> >> > business to
>> >> >> > > EchoStar
>> >> >> > > >> > > Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
>> >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> >
>> >> > http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?
>> >> >> > > >> > mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
>> >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much
>> > cash
>> >> > and not
>> >> >> > > >> > getting
>> >> >> > > >> > > enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great
>> >> > service, but
>> >> >> > great
>> >> >> > > >> > > things don't always last.
>> >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > -Keith
>> >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin"
> <bob@c...>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> > > >> > > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think
>> > you're
>> >> >> > > exaggerting
>> >> >> > > >> > a bit
>> >> >> > > >> > > > Scott.
>> >> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite
> and
>> >> > has a new
>> >> >> > > >> > ground
>> >> >> > > >> > > station
>> >> >> > > >> > > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's
> due
>> > to
>> >> > happen
>> >> >> > right
>> >> >> > > >> > > about the
>> >> >> > > >> > > > time they promised an increase in channels for
>> > March.
>> >> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I
>> > doubt
>> >> > he
>> >> >> > sent out
>> >> >> > > >> > the
>> >> >> > > >> > > memo
>> >> >> > > >> > > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was
> about
>> > to
>> >> > be
>> >> >> > > sold. My
>> >> >> > > >> > > guess is
>> >> >> > > >> > > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone
> here
>> >> > knows
>> >> >> > > about yet.
>> >> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > Bob
>> >> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication
> Buys
>> >> > Ranibow 1
>> >> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > Personally, I think you are way off base
> here.
>> >> > Echostar did
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the
>> > Rainbow 1
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM
> basically
>> >> > will not
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > exist when this deal goes through. VOOM has
> no
>> > more
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > satellite. It is just a matter of when the
>> >> > satellite gets
>> >> >> > > >> > turned off.
>> >> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > Scott
>> >> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod"
>> >> > <bruceg@h...> wrote:
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > They are not off the air so just hold your
>> >> > horses. I
>> >> >> > work in
>> >> >> > > >> > the
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > corporate
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in
>> > these
>> >> >> > situations.
>> >> >> > > >> > And
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to
> pay
>> > my
>> >> > bill and
>> >> >> > > >> > expect
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > service
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > until I am told to do something different
> or
>> > sent
>> >> > a
>> >> >> > > notice of
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > termination of
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > services and a refund check for what i've
>> > already
>> >> > paid
>> >> >> > out.
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it
>> >> > conclusively
>> >> >> > > >> > enumerates
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > what is
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > going to happen and when. People have
>> > purchased
>> >> >> > equipment as
>> >> >> > > >> > well
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > as
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be
>> >> > considered.
>> >> >> > There
>> >> >> > > >> > are
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > legal
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues
> to
>> > hash
>> >> > out.
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of
>> > their
>> >> > original
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > programming will
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at
> this
>> >> > moment than
>> >> >> > > >> > not. I
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > might be
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the
> equipment
>> >> > rather than
>> >> >> > > >> > leased.
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate
>> > the
>> >> > strong
>> >> >> > > >> > possibility
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > of some
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I
> could
>> > be
>> >> > wrong
>> >> >> > > but to
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > take care of
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in
> exchange
>> >> > for
>> >> >> > ptential
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > monthly revenue
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > stream for the long term. And that's what
>> > cable
>> >> > and Sat TV
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > providers are
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > really fighting over.....
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication
>> > Buys
>> >> > Ranibow 1
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1
> 1/4
>> >> > years VOOM.
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > I enjoyed
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > Scott
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts
>> >> >> > > <timothyfouts@m...>
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > wrote:
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > > On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:01 PM, abcward
> wrote:
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[VOOM] Re: After reading through all the posts here and satguys, those I feel sorry...
Just a quick note on the continued use of the recievers as OTA tuners
The recieevers need to recieve an authorization on a continual basis to
contine working, usually every 2 weeks to a month or when you change
your programming
This being said, if Voom dies, (and I am still hoping that ther old man
pitches a fit and kills his kid and the board) then within 2 weeks to a
month, the authorization on your reciever will expire, and the OTA
portion will no longer function
--
JaydeeD
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