[VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1

Bruce Grodner · Jan 21, 2005

It is frustrating to deal with your negative and one sided viewpoint. As I
said you are right; leases and lawyers are irrelevant.
----- Original Message -----
From: "keithnet" <voom@keith.net>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:08 PM
Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1

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> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Grodner" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > eviction can be difficult.
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> You really think it will be difficult for Echostar to go: "hi, yeah,
> about that satellite we paid you for, um, we want to use it. get off?"
>
> that's like selling a used car to someone and thinking you can
> continue to drive it.
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> that's even assuming cablevision would want to continue to service.
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Bruce Grodner · Jan 21, 2005

Remind me not to get any stock tips from you, Keith. But if 2/1 is the
date, I'll buy you a beer too.
----- Original Message -----
From: "keithnet" <voom@keith.net>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:57 PM
Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1

>
>
> Why would the FCC and DOJ block the deal and don't you think both
> companies did some research to make sure there is a good chance it
> will pass before they signed on the dotted line? These are public
> companies who are dealing with important assets.
>
> So let's just explore the idea the FCC says no.
>
> Cablevision: We're looking to sell our dish because we no longer wish
> to invest money in it. The business isn't viable. (reports have
> estimated they will have to spend up to $1.5B to keep the service
> going the next two years).
>
> FCC: No. You can't.
>
> Cablevision: OK, well, we're not investing any more. Enjoy the space
> junk.
>
> At some point the FCC would take back the DBS frequencies and auction
> them off to someone new. I highly doubt the FCC would let something
> like that happen when they can see the deal makes sense for both
> companies. It makes sense for Cablevision cause they can't/don't want
> to continue to support it. It makes sense for Echostar because they
> will able to compete better with DirecTV. It's pretty fair market
> value for the dish too.
>
> As far as 2/1, I look forward to drinking that beer. I can't imagine
> them leaving the service on for much longer. That would just be silly.
>
> A WSJ article yesterday (1/19) said this:
> "At a three-hour meeting via phone, the board asked Cablevision's
> management to give it a plan for cutting back funding of the service,
> known as Voom, which launched about a year ago.
>
> The board also asked for a status report on efforts to sell the
> business. The company has funded the service, which lost $75.3 million
> in the third quarter of last year, only until the end of the month,
> people said."
>
> Which means i'd be surprised to see the service continue past 1/31.
> Why the heck would they continue to lose money when they are going to
> be shutting down the system? Shareholders would revolt. I'm surprised
> they haven't already. Cablevision has a good business going and VOOM
> is pulling down earnings big time.
>
> What's in the drinks/food some of you are consuming? I want some.
>
> -Keith
>
> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...> wrote:
> > Scott, they AGREED to sell the satellite to E*. It is subject to FCC
> and DOJ
> > approval. It's not a done deal until then. You don't broadcast jack
> without
> > that approval, so unless they get jollies out of hardware simply
> flying
> > around in space, don't jump the gun. Let's not forget that the gov't
> already
> > nixed one DBS buyout, so they obviously have some concerns.
> >
> > Echostar was denied added licensing 2 years ago and those very
> frequencies
> > were awarded to Cablevision instead(you can Google to find the PR).
> My
> > question is, why? The FCC just limited on frequencies or did they
> not want
> > E* to have them for other reasons. That needs to be answered. If the
> FCC has
> > their number for some reason, the deal will not close. E* already
> has a bird
> > at 61.5 What impact does that have?
> >
> > If Keith is adamant about the lights going out on 2/1, then I'll buy
> him a
> > beer if he's right! Does anyone seriously think the FCC moves in
> that kind
> > of timeframe? Cablevision has that "transition period" phrase in
> there and
> > somehow it will all sort out in 10 days??? LOL!
> >
> > This is just hilarious how everyone has it figured out. Is the list
> full of
> > unemployed M&A types or something?
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:57 PM
> > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Let me say this. VOOM is now dead as of tonight. They sold
> Rainbow
> > > 1 and now do not own a satellite. The signal may continue to
> > > be sent out until the deal is approved by the FCC. When the
> > > signal actually is turned off is anyone's guess. However, it
> > > is now a matter of when the VOOM signal goes off not if.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > > > Scott,
> > > > Did you read my comments? Way off base? you make it sound like
> > > there'll be
> > > > no VOOM signal almost immediately. How do you know what the
> > > details of the
> > > > deal are? It is at this point very private. There are all
> kinds
> > > of legal
> > > > wranglings and contracts to follow. Lawyers making their
> money.
> > > VOOM could
> > > > die and I said so. WE DON'T KNOW if or when. In the meantime,
> I
> > > am in
> > > > absolutely no jeopardy by continuing to enjoy the service and
> > > waiting for
> > > > any announcements that follow. What if the Dolan's bought VOOM
> > > and Echostar
> > > > bought Rainbow 1? Can Echostar just kick VOOM off their new
> > > satellite at
> > > > will. This is leased capacity. There are contractual
> obligations.
> > > > You said:
> > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM. I
> > > > >> enjoyed the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Scott
> > > > I'm watching VOOM right now. It hasn't ended. I'm off base?
> > > > What you suggest is a prediction and in the future, soon or
> never,
> > > may prove
> > > > you right. But not today. Relax and enjoy VOOM now, tomorrow
> > > will come
> > > > soon enough.
> > > > Really I understand your concerns but you are jumping the gun.
> > > > Thegrod
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:48 PM
> > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here. Echostar did
> not
> > > buy
> > > > > the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1 satellite and
> > > related
> > > > > equipment. VOOM basically will not exist when this deal goes
> > > > > through. VOOM has no more satellite. It is just a matter of
> > > when
> > > > > the satellite gets turned off.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > > > >> They are not off the air so just hold your horses. I work in
> > > the
> > > > > corporate
> > > > >> world and you can expect the unexpected in these situations.
>
> > > And
> > > > >> changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my bill and
> > > expect
> > > > > service
> > > > >> until I am told to do something different or sent a notice of
> > > > > termination of
> > > > >> services and a refund check for what i've already paid out.
> > > > >> I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively
> > > enumerates
> > > > > what is
> > > > >> going to happen and when. People have purchased equipment as
> > > well
> > > > > as
> > > > >> leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered. There
> > > are
> > > > > legal
> > > > >> obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> > > > >> I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> > > > > programming will
> > > > >> survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment than
> > > not. I
> > > > > might be
> > > > >> a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than
> leased.
> > > > >> If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong
> > > possibility
> > > > > of some
> > > > >> very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be wrong but
> to
> > > > > take care of
> > > > >> us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
> > > > > monthly revenue
> > > > >> stream for the long term. And that's what cable and Sat TV
> > > > > providers are
> > > > >> really fighting over.....
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > > > >> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> > > > >> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM.
> I
> > > > >> enjoyed the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Scott
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts
> <timothyfouts@m...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:01 PM, abcward wrote:
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Gill Loring · Jan 21, 2005

Re: [VOOM] Cablevision Sells Satellite Business

Hi Robert,

Thanks, I think. Had just gotten on the net after
being off for several hous-busy at work and then went
to a community meeting-and was looking up VOOM's map
address to check on the city and ran across the sale
on a Google search. Came immediately to hear and you
confirmed the bad news. Guess it's just a matter of
when they pull the plug. We're unlikely to go with
Dish. Now we have to figure out a way to get the sat
antenna off the roof although we'll keep our $499 OTA
antenna for use with our old Samsung STB.

I'll still monitor the VOOM forum until such time it
is no longer necessary.

Still watching HDTV under clearing Seattle skies, Gill

--- Robert <ddprobert@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> While it was first reported echostar purchased
> rainbow 1, this article
> seems to say it's more than just that. In any case,
> this yahoo group
> will remain in operation as long as Voom exists so
> enjoy what Voom has
> to offer and stay tuned here on the yahoo group or
> visit the
> internet's #1 website for all things related to
> satellite tv at
> http://www.satelliteguys.us
>
> 01/20/05 8:20pm
>
> NEW YORK - Moving to unload an unprofitable venture,
> Cablevision
> Systems Corp. on Thursday sold its satellite
> broadcasting business to
> rival EchoStar Communications Corp. for $200 million
> cash.
>
> The Long Island-based cable TV provider started the
> high-definition
> satellite venture, which is marketed under the brand
> name VOOM, in the
> fall of 2003. But the operation has struggled to
> turn a profit and has
> dragged on Cablevision's finances and share price,
> as investors
> worried about how long the company would fund VOOM.
>
> The deal also calls for EchoStar, based in
> Englewood, Colo., to
> acquire ground facilities and related assets in
> Black Hawk, S.D. The
> sale is subject to review by the Federal
> Communications Commission
> (news - web sites) and other regulators.
>
> In a statement, Cablevision said it was continuing
> to review options
> for its remaining satellite assets, and that VOOM
> service would
> continue "during a transition period."
>
> In its third quarter earnings report last year,
> Cablevision said the
> VOOM service had just 26,000 customers and had
> posted an operating
> loss of $75.3 million on revenues of $5.9 million.
>
> EchoStar said it's assessing how the Cablevision
> satellite can be used
> to enhance the company's DISH Network's existing
> service.
>
> Cablevision has about 3 million cable customer
> households around New
> York City.
>
>
>
>

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seattlesatelliter · Jan 21, 2005

[VOOM] Concerning Wilt-I don't think he is about to jump off of the...

Empire State Building. Although I'm sure the original engineering on
VOOM was his baby he works for Cablevision and made clear on this
board a long time ago that he would be staying with Cablevision should
VOOM get spun off as a separate entity.

Still watching HDTV until it is no longer there under clearing Seattle
skies, Gill

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Bob Mankin · Jan 21, 2005

Maybe ask Rupert Murdoch about that. I'm pretty sure he had some hotshot
lawyers do their homework before entertaining a merger with DISH. But in the
end it didn't fly. I don't have the gov't commentary to review, therefore I
can only guess.

On the funding deal, I live in the Republic of Kal-ee-forn-ee-a as our
Governor likes to say. We yearly go through a circus act known as the budget
debate. It's 50/50 odds that the State will operate beyond June 30th of any
given year without a budget in place. Funny thing is most of the State
continues to run. They don't just roll up the sidewalks and go home.

I'm still hoping you can explain to me how the Chairman of the Board of
Cablevision was so blind to this pending Echostar deal that he would issue
an internal memo at would be the equivalent of 11:59pm on the clock. You
stated that after the spinoff was nixed, that would give 30 days for them to
have been working the deal rather than the 24 hrs I posted sarcastically.
How does someone as bright as Dolan Sr. get blindsided by a sales contract
that probably had the ink drying on it about the time he releases this
memo?????

Keith, please don't forget that I could care less one way or another how
this pans out. I'm out nothing but the monthly bill, plus the fact that I
will have to settle for a lesser quality service. I think it's just odd that
many of the actual facts don't quite add up.

What do you figure E* will do with that redundant uplink facility? Perhaps
lease it? Hmmmm. Maybe there are more twists to this soap opera yet.

If they pull the plug on 2/1, then they move to zero revenue while still
dealing with operating costs on a pending sale that may take months for
approval. Another angle that doesn't make much sense.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: keithnet [mailto:voom@keith.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:57 PM
> To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>
>
>
> Why would the FCC and DOJ block the deal and don't you think
> both companies did some research to make sure there is a good
> chance it will pass before they signed on the dotted line?
> These are public companies who are dealing with important assets.
>
> So let's just explore the idea the FCC says no.
>
> Cablevision: We're looking to sell our dish because we no
> longer wish to invest money in it. The business isn't viable.
> (reports have estimated they will have to spend up to $1.5B
> to keep the service going the next two years).
>
> FCC: No. You can't.
>
> Cablevision: OK, well, we're not investing any more. Enjoy
> the space junk.
>
> At some point the FCC would take back the DBS frequencies and
> auction them off to someone new. I highly doubt the FCC would
> let something like that happen when they can see the deal
> makes sense for both companies. It makes sense for
> Cablevision cause they can't/don't want to continue to
> support it. It makes sense for Echostar because they will
> able to compete better with DirecTV. It's pretty fair market
> value for the dish too.
>
> As far as 2/1, I look forward to drinking that beer. I can't
> imagine them leaving the service on for much longer. That
> would just be silly.
>
> A WSJ article yesterday (1/19) said this:
> "At a three-hour meeting via phone, the board asked
> Cablevision's management to give it a plan for cutting back
> funding of the service, known as Voom, which launched about a
> year ago.
>
> The board also asked for a status report on efforts to sell
> the business. The company has funded the service, which lost
> $75.3 million in the third quarter of last year, only until
> the end of the month, people said."
>
> Which means i'd be surprised to see the service continue past 1/31.
> Why the heck would they continue to lose money when they are
> going to be shutting down the system? Shareholders would
> revolt. I'm surprised they haven't already. Cablevision has a
> good business going and VOOM is pulling down earnings big time.
>
> What's in the drinks/food some of you are consuming? I want some.
>
> -Keith
>

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seattlesatelliter · Jan 21, 2005

[VOOM] After reading through all the posts here and satguys, those I feel sorry...

for are the VOOM employees. In the 13+ months we've been with VOOM
we'd had frequent contact with people who really cared about their
jobs with VOOM. Needless to say, Wilt, who took care to get Lori at
VOOM headquarters to sort out install problems over a year ago after I
posted our problems on this forum. Over the past several months it
has been Lori and Peter, VOOM's engineer, who have helped sort out
reception of OTAs particularly ch. 9-5. Of course, more recently he
has been involved in 7.33.

Although we are out $499 + tax as we purchased our equipment this is
small potatoes compared to the potential of losing your job.

So, guys and gals at VOOM good luck in whatever you end up doing!

Still watching HDTV (HBO at the moment) under clearing Seattle skies, Gill

P.S.: Better enjoy HBO while we have it as we are unlikely to sign up
for any other sat or cable service. Will miss Deadwood in March.

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dave_calebaugh · Jan 21, 2005

[VOOM] Re: After reading through all the posts here and satguys, those I feel sorry...

Wish I had only spent that, mine was $800. Also in case it was said
before, if an I do me if they decide to shut down the system, make
sure you unplug the coax first. I found out when I had a problem with
my receiver that if they deauthorize your box it will be locked on
whatever channel it was on and you can't change it as the remote
controls functions are limited. All I could get to work was the
system menus.

Dave

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Timothy Fouts · Jan 21, 2005

I still say Rainbow 1 is sold but Voom as a company is not sold. Voom=20=20
will lease the transponder space back from Dish as Sky Angel does from=20=20
Dish.

On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:46 AM, Bruce Grodner wrote:

> Keith,
> I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in your email to Bob is =
=20
> based
> on conjecture.=A0 Both yours and the WSJ reported.=A0 Admittedly, good =
=20
> points
> are raised but if I paid that much for something, which we don't know =
=20
> yet
> exactly what that is that was purchased and what the intimate details =
=20
> of the
> deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and make any changes.=A0 =
=20
> They
> have yet to put a team of management people on it, check the books,=20=20
> etc.
> Have you ever bought a company?=A0 A company that size will require some
> serious appraisal before anything changes.=A0 After a period of review =
=20
> there
> will be a new game plan for sure.=A0 It will make interesting reading.=
=A0=20=20
> as
> Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "keithnet" <voom@keith.net>
> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>
>
> >
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that VOOM is over?
> >
> > Why would they continue the company without their main [and=20=20[/color]
> currently
> > only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's satellite to keep the
> > venture going?
> >
> > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me quote the recently
> > published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
> > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom satellite service
> > and sell most of the assets of the money-losing business to EchoStar
> > Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
> >
> http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?=20
> mod=3Dyahoo_hs&ru=3Dyahoo
> >
> > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much cash and not=20=20
> getting
> > enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great service, but great
> > things don't always last.
> >
> > -Keith
> >
> > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...> wrote:
> > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think you're exaggerting =
=20
> a bit
> > > Scott.
> > >
> > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite and has a new=20=20
> ground
> > station
> > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due to happen right
> > about the
> > > time they promised an increase in channels for March.
> > >
> > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I doubt he sent out =
=20
> the
> > memo
> > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about to be sold. My
> > guess is
> > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here knows about yet.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
> > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here.=A0 Echostar did
> > > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1
> > > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM basically will not
> > > > exist when this deal goes through.=A0 VOOM has no more
> > > > satellite.=A0 It is just a matter of when the satellite gets=20=20
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> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
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> enumerates
> > > > what is
> > > > > going to happen and when.=A0 People have purchased equipment as =
=20
> well
> > > > as
> > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered.=A0 There =
=20
> are
> > > > legal
> > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> > > > programming will
> > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment than=20=20
> not.=A0 I
> > > > might be
> > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than=20=20
> leased.
> > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong=20=20
> possibility
> > > > of some
> > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers.=A0 I could be wrong but to
> > > > take care of
> > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
> > > > monthly revenue
> > > > > stream for the long term.=A0 And that's what cable and Sat TV
> > > > providers are
> > > > > really fighting over.....
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a very sad day.=A0 Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM.
> > > >=A0 I enjoyed
> > > > > the service greatly.=A0 Sorry it ended.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts <timothyfouts@m...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
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nostrodumb_ass · Jan 21, 2005

[VOOM] Re: After reading through all the posts here and satguys, those I feel sorry...

--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "dave_calebaugh" <DCalebaugh@a...>
wrote:
>
> Wish I had only spent that, mine was $800. Also in case it was
said
> before, if an I do me if they decide to shut down the system, make
> sure you unplug the coax first. I found out when I had a problem
with
> my receiver that if they deauthorize your box it will be locked on
> whatever channel it was on and you can't change it as the remote
> controls functions are limited. All I could get to work was the
> system menus.
>
> Dave

It would be nice to get some notice of any discontinuation of
service so we can do this. Since I purchased my unit as well ($399),
I would like to still be able to use it as an OTA receiver.

-k

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JaydeeD · Jan 21, 2005

Just a quick note on the continued use of the recievers as OTA tuners

The recieevers need to recieve an authorization on a continual basis to contine working, usually every 2 weeks to a month or when you change your programming

This being said, if Voom dies, (and I am still hoping that ther old man pitches a fit and kills his kid and the board) then within 2 weeks to a month, the authorization on your reciever will expire, and the OTA portion will no longer function

thegrod · Jan 21, 2005

Tim,
I am willing to admit that I just don't know at this point. I wish others
would do so too.
I hope you are right. I think some of these strong opinions that VOOM is
immediately dead come from the Sat guys forum. Frankly, if you go there and
check it out, you will see that they have sensationalist headlines like the
National Enquirer. I strongly disagree with that methodology. Unless they
can say with authority that they know a lot more than the rest of us via a
direct pipeline to the powers that be. This is one of the dangers of the
internet. Everyone gets to be a news reporter, but unlike the news media,
there is no accountability and no need for responsible reporting. Rumors
fly and individual opinions are repeated enough to become fact.
I will wait for the situation to develop, read whatever I can on the subject
( and there will be an abundance of reading material), and enjoy VOOM as
long as it's up there and is reasonably priced. If it ended tomorrow, it
still was perfect for someone like me who got a 50" DLP HDTV 7 mmonths ago.
It really has filled a void.
I'd like to think that the signups have increased lately based on the number
of VOOM forum applications I've processed. VOOM spent a lot of money
positioning themselves as the HDTV leader and advertised very well. IF I
bought the company I would not be so quick to throw all that out.
We'll see.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy Fouts" <timothyfouts@mac.com>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1

I still say Rainbow 1 is sold but Voom as a company is not sold. Voom
will lease the transponder space back from Dish as Sky Angel does from
Dish.

On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:46 AM, Bruce Grodner wrote:

> Keith,
> I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in your email to Bob is
> based
> on conjecture. Both yours and the WSJ reported. Admittedly, good
> points
> are raised but if I paid that much for something, which we don't know
> yet
> exactly what that is that was purchased and what the intimate details
> of the
> deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and make any changes.
> They
> have yet to put a team of management people on it, check the books,
> etc.
> Have you ever bought a company? A company that size will require some
> serious appraisal before anything changes. After a period of review
> there
> will be a new game plan for sure. It will make interesting reading.
> as
> Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "keithnet" <voom@keith.net>
> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>
>
> >
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that VOOM is over?
> >
> > Why would they continue the company without their main [and
> currently
> > only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's satellite to keep the
> > venture going?
> >
> > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me quote the recently
> > published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
> > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom satellite service
> > and sell most of the assets of the money-losing business to EchoStar
> > Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
> >
> http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?
> mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
> >
> > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much cash and not
> getting
> > enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great service, but great
> > things don't always last.
> >
> > -Keith
> >
> > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...> wrote:
> > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think you're exaggerting
> a bit
> > > Scott.
> > >
> > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite and has a new
> ground
> > station
> > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due to happen right
> > about the
> > > time they promised an increase in channels for March.
> > >
> > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I doubt he sent out
> the
> > memo
> > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about to be sold. My
> > guess is
> > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here knows about yet.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
> > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here. Echostar did
> > > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1
> > > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM basically will not
> > > > exist when this deal goes through. VOOM has no more
> > > > satellite. It is just a matter of when the satellite gets
> turned off.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > > > > They are not off the air so just hold your horses. I work in
> the
> > > > corporate
> > > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in these situations.
> And
> > > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my bill and
> expect
> > > > service
> > > > > until I am told to do something different or sent a notice of
> > > > termination of
> > > > > services and a refund check for what i've already paid out.
> > > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively
> enumerates
> > > > what is
> > > > > going to happen and when. People have purchased equipment as
> well
> > > > as
> > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered. There
> are
> > > > legal
> > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> > > > programming will
> > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment than
> not. I
> > > > might be
> > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than
> leased.
> > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong
> possibility
> > > > of some
> > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be wrong but to
> > > > take care of
> > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
> > > > monthly revenue
> > > > > stream for the long term. And that's what cable and Sat TV
> > > > providers are
> > > > > really fighting over.....
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM.
> > > > I enjoyed
> > > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts <timothyfouts@m...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:01 PM, abcward wrote:
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David Lay · Jan 21, 2005

Very true...but until I hear something concrete as to the status of the
company, next months bill will remain on my desk...

D* is being installed today!

Cheers,
Dave

thegrod wrote:

> Tim,
> I am willing to admit that I just don't know at this point. I wish others
> would do so too.
> I hope you are right. I think some of these strong opinions that VOOM is
> immediately dead come from the Sat guys forum. Frankly, if you go
> there and
> check it out, you will see that they have sensationalist headlines
> like the
> National Enquirer. I strongly disagree with that methodology. Unless
> they
> can say with authority that they know a lot more than the rest of us
> via a
> direct pipeline to the powers that be. This is one of the dangers of the
> internet. Everyone gets to be a news reporter, but unlike the news
> media,
> there is no accountability and no need for responsible reporting. Rumors
> fly and individual opinions are repeated enough to become fact.
> I will wait for the situation to develop, read whatever I can on the
> subject
> ( and there will be an abundance of reading material), and enjoy VOOM as
> long as it's up there and is reasonably priced. If it ended tomorrow, it
> still was perfect for someone like me who got a 50" DLP HDTV 7 mmonths
> ago.
> It really has filled a void.
> I'd like to think that the signups have increased lately based on the
> number
> of VOOM forum applications I've processed. VOOM spent a lot of money
> positioning themselves as the HDTV leader and advertised very well. IF I
> bought the company I would not be so quick to throw all that out.
> We'll see.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Timothy Fouts" <timothyfouts@mac.com>
> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>
>
>
> I still say Rainbow 1 is sold but Voom as a company is not sold. Voom
> will lease the transponder space back from Dish as Sky Angel does from
> Dish.
>
> On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:46 AM, Bruce Grodner wrote:
>
> > Keith,
> > I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in your email to Bob is
> > based
> > on conjecture. Both yours and the WSJ reported. Admittedly, good
> > points
> > are raised but if I paid that much for something, which we don't know
> > yet
> > exactly what that is that was purchased and what the intimate details
> > of the
> > deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and make any changes.
> > They
> > have yet to put a team of management people on it, check the books,
> > etc.
> > Have you ever bought a company? A company that size will require some
> > serious appraisal before anything changes. After a period of review
> > there
> > will be a new game plan for sure. It will make interesting reading.
> > as
> > Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "keithnet" <voom@keith.net>
> > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
> > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that VOOM is over?
> > >
> > > Why would they continue the company without their main [and
> > currently
> > > only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's satellite to keep the
> > > venture going?
> > >
> > > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me quote the recently
> > > published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
> > > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom satellite service
> > > and sell most of the assets of the money-losing business to EchoStar
> > > Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
> > >
> > http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?
> > mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
> > >
> > > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much cash and not
> > getting
> > > enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great service, but great
> > > things don't always last.
> > >
> > > -Keith
> > >
> > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...> wrote:
> > > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think you're exaggerting
> > a bit
> > > > Scott.
> > > >
> > > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite and has a new
> > ground
> > > station
> > > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due to happen right
> > > about the
> > > > time they promised an increase in channels for March.
> > > >
> > > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I doubt he sent out
> > the
> > > memo
> > > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about to be sold. My
> > > guess is
> > > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here knows about yet.
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
> > > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here. Echostar did
> > > > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1
> > > > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM basically will not
> > > > > exist when this deal goes through. VOOM has no more
> > > > > satellite. It is just a matter of when the satellite gets
> > turned off.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > > > > > They are not off the air so just hold your horses. I work in
> > the
> > > > > corporate
> > > > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in these situations.
> > And
> > > > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my bill and
> > expect
> > > > > service
> > > > > > until I am told to do something different or sent a notice of
> > > > > termination of
> > > > > > services and a refund check for what i've already paid out.
> > > > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively
> > enumerates
> > > > > what is
> > > > > > going to happen and when. People have purchased equipment as
> > well
> > > > > as
> > > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered. There
> > are
> > > > > legal
> > > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> > > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> > > > > programming will
> > > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment than
> > not. I
> > > > > might be
> > > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than
> > leased.
> > > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong
> > possibility
> > > > > of some
> > > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be wrong but to
> > > > > take care of
> > > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
> > > > > monthly revenue
> > > > > > stream for the long term. And that's what cable and Sat TV
> > > > > providers are
> > > > > > really fighting over.....
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM.
> > > > > I enjoyed
> > > > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scott
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts <timothyfouts@m...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
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berockin1 · Jan 21, 2005

I for one will continue to pay my bill and watch VOOM until the
picture is gone. Then I will dust off my Samsung HD D* receiver and
get service back. Or even better awaiting an announcement from Dolan
Sr. saying the service will continue in some way. I hope to hear that
but wont hold my breath.
Charlie will never see a dime of my money once the VOOM programming
has been turned off. Us original Voomers will really miss the
service. I like my VOOM like I like my MAC.

--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...> wrote:
> Maybe ask Rupert Murdoch about that. I'm pretty sure he had some
hotshot
> lawyers do their homework before entertaining a merger with DISH.
But in the
> end it didn't fly. I don't have the gov't commentary to review,
therefore I
> can only guess.
>
> On the funding deal, I live in the Republic of Kal-ee-forn-ee-a as
our
> Governor likes to say. We yearly go through a circus act known as
the budget
> debate. It's 50/50 odds that the State will operate beyond June
30th of any
> given year without a budget in place. Funny thing is most of the
State
> continues to run. They don't just roll up the sidewalks and go
home.
>
> I'm still hoping you can explain to me how the Chairman of the
Board of
> Cablevision was so blind to this pending Echostar deal that he
would issue
> an internal memo at would be the equivalent of 11:59pm on the
clock. You
> stated that after the spinoff was nixed, that would give 30 days
for them to
> have been working the deal rather than the 24 hrs I posted
sarcastically.
> How does someone as bright as Dolan Sr. get blindsided by a sales
contract
> that probably had the ink drying on it about the time he releases
this
> memo?????
>
> Keith, please don't forget that I could care less one way or
another how
> this pans out. I'm out nothing but the monthly bill, plus the fact
that I
> will have to settle for a lesser quality service. I think it's just
odd that
> many of the actual facts don't quite add up.
>
> What do you figure E* will do with that redundant uplink facility?
Perhaps
> lease it? Hmmmm. Maybe there are more twists to this soap opera yet.
>
> If they pull the plug on 2/1, then they move to zero revenue while
still
> dealing with operating costs on a pending sale that may take months
for
> approval. Another angle that doesn't make much sense.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: keithnet [mailto:voom@k...]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:57 PM
> > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >
> >
> >
> > Why would the FCC and DOJ block the deal and don't you think
> > both companies did some research to make sure there is a good
> > chance it will pass before they signed on the dotted line?
> > These are public companies who are dealing with important assets.
> >
> > So let's just explore the idea the FCC says no.
> >
> > Cablevision: We're looking to sell our dish because we no
> > longer wish to invest money in it. The business isn't viable.
> > (reports have estimated they will have to spend up to $1.5B
> > to keep the service going the next two years).
> >
> > FCC: No. You can't.
> >
> > Cablevision: OK, well, we're not investing any more. Enjoy
> > the space junk.
> >
> > At some point the FCC would take back the DBS frequencies and
> > auction them off to someone new. I highly doubt the FCC would
> > let something like that happen when they can see the deal
> > makes sense for both companies. It makes sense for
> > Cablevision cause they can't/don't want to continue to
> > support it. It makes sense for Echostar because they will
> > able to compete better with DirecTV. It's pretty fair market
> > value for the dish too.
> >
> > As far as 2/1, I look forward to drinking that beer. I can't
> > imagine them leaving the service on for much longer. That
> > would just be silly.
> >
> > A WSJ article yesterday (1/19) said this:
> > "At a three-hour meeting via phone, the board asked
> > Cablevision's management to give it a plan for cutting back
> > funding of the service, known as Voom, which launched about a
> > year ago.
> >
> > The board also asked for a status report on efforts to sell
> > the business. The company has funded the service, which lost
> > $75.3 million in the third quarter of last year, only until
> > the end of the month, people said."
> >
> > Which means i'd be surprised to see the service continue past
1/31.
> > Why the heck would they continue to lose money when they are
> > going to be shutting down the system? Shareholders would
> > revolt. I'm surprised they haven't already. Cablevision has a
> > good business going and VOOM is pulling down earnings big time.
> >
> > What's in the drinks/food some of you are consuming? I want some.
> >
> > -Keith
> >

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thegrod · Jan 21, 2005

Re: [VOOM] Re: After reading through all the posts here and satguys, those I feel sorry...

Jason,
I am under a different impression.
If you disconnect Rainbow 1 LNBF while you are authorized the OTA should
work indefinitely. By the way, I had a Direst TV Toshiba DST-3000 HDTV
receiver given to me by a friend after he switched to cable. When he
disconnected it the authorization was active. It is still very usable as an
OTA receiver without any further authorization. I believe the continual
authorization is only necessary for the "cable" type channels.
How do you know that it will not be the same situation for a VOOM receiver?
I hope you are wrong but if you have some information could you please share
the details. Many of us are counting on being left with an OTA HD receiver
of fairly good quality. Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "JaydeeD" <satguys2004@yahoo.com>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:35 AM
Subject: [VOOM] Re: After reading through all the posts here and satguys,
those I feel sorry...

>
>
> Just a quick note on the continued use of the recievers as OTA tuners
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> The recieevers need to recieve an authorization on a continual basis to
> contine working, usually every 2 weeks to a month or when you change
> your programming
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> This being said, if Voom dies, (and I am still hoping that ther old man
> pitches a fit and kills his kid and the board) then within 2 weeks to a
> month, the authorization on your reciever will expire, and the OTA
> portion will no longer function
>
>
> --
> JaydeeD
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thegrod · Jan 21, 2005

David,
Do you pay by credit card? If so, and your service was prematurely and
suddely terminated, you could contact your credit card company and get a
refund because of non-delivery of services. Besides, how much could you
really lose worst case? A partial month?
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Lay" <dlayphoto@sbcglobal.net>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1

>
> Very true...but until I hear something concrete as to the status of the
> company, next months bill will remain on my desk...
>
> D* is being installed today!
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
> thegrod wrote:
>
>> Tim,
>> I am willing to admit that I just don't know at this point. I wish others
>> would do so too.
>> I hope you are right. I think some of these strong opinions that VOOM is
>> immediately dead come from the Sat guys forum. Frankly, if you go
>> there and
>> check it out, you will see that they have sensationalist headlines
>> like the
>> National Enquirer. I strongly disagree with that methodology. Unless
>> they
>> can say with authority that they know a lot more than the rest of us
>> via a
>> direct pipeline to the powers that be. This is one of the dangers of the
>> internet. Everyone gets to be a news reporter, but unlike the news
>> media,
>> there is no accountability and no need for responsible reporting. Rumors
>> fly and individual opinions are repeated enough to become fact.
>> I will wait for the situation to develop, read whatever I can on the
>> subject
>> ( and there will be an abundance of reading material), and enjoy VOOM as
>> long as it's up there and is reasonably priced. If it ended tomorrow, it
>> still was perfect for someone like me who got a 50" DLP HDTV 7 mmonths
>> ago.
>> It really has filled a void.
>> I'd like to think that the signups have increased lately based on the
>> number
>> of VOOM forum applications I've processed. VOOM spent a lot of money
>> positioning themselves as the HDTV leader and advertised very well. IF I
>> bought the company I would not be so quick to throw all that out.
>> We'll see.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Timothy Fouts" <timothyfouts@mac.com>
>> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>>
>>
>>
>> I still say Rainbow 1 is sold but Voom as a company is not sold. Voom
>> will lease the transponder space back from Dish as Sky Angel does from
>> Dish.
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:46 AM, Bruce Grodner wrote:
>>
>> > Keith,
>> > I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in your email to Bob is
>> > based
>> > on conjecture. Both yours and the WSJ reported. Admittedly, good
>> > points
>> > are raised but if I paid that much for something, which we don't know
>> > yet
>> > exactly what that is that was purchased and what the intimate details
>> > of the
>> > deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and make any changes.
>> > They
>> > have yet to put a team of management people on it, check the books,
>> > etc.
>> > Have you ever bought a company? A company that size will require some
>> > serious appraisal before anything changes. After a period of review
>> > there
>> > will be a new game plan for sure. It will make interesting reading.
>> > as
>> > Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "keithnet" <voom@keith.net>
>> > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
>> > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Bob,
>> > >
>> > > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that VOOM is over?
>> > >
>> > > Why would they continue the company without their main [and
>> > currently
>> > > only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's satellite to keep the
>> > > venture going?
>> > >
>> > > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me quote the recently
>> > > published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
>> > > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom satellite service
>> > > and sell most of the assets of the money-losing business to EchoStar
>> > > Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
>> > >
>> > http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?
>> > mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
>> > >
>> > > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much cash and not
>> > getting
>> > > enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great service, but great
>> > > things don't always last.
>> > >
>> > > -Keith
>> > >
>> > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...> wrote:
>> > > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think you're exaggerting
>> > a bit
>> > > > Scott.
>> > > >
>> > > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite and has a new
>> > ground
>> > > station
>> > > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due to happen right
>> > > about the
>> > > > time they promised an increase in channels for March.
>> > > >
>> > > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I doubt he sent out
>> > the
>> > > memo
>> > > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about to be sold. My
>> > > guess is
>> > > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here knows about yet.
>> > > >
>> > > > Bob
>> > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
>> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
>> > > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
>> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here. Echostar did
>> > > > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1
>> > > > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM basically will not
>> > > > > exist when this deal goes through. VOOM has no more
>> > > > > satellite. It is just a matter of when the satellite gets
>> > turned off.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Scott
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
>> > > > > > They are not off the air so just hold your horses. I work in
>> > the
>> > > > > corporate
>> > > > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in these situations.
>> > And
>> > > > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my bill and
>> > expect
>> > > > > service
>> > > > > > until I am told to do something different or sent a notice of
>> > > > > termination of
>> > > > > > services and a refund check for what i've already paid out.
>> > > > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively
>> > enumerates
>> > > > > what is
>> > > > > > going to happen and when. People have purchased equipment as
>> > well
>> > > > > as
>> > > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered. There
>> > are
>> > > > > legal
>> > > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
>> > > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
>> > > > > programming will
>> > > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment than
>> > not. I
>> > > > > might be
>> > > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than
>> > leased.
>> > > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong
>> > possibility
>> > > > > of some
>> > > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be wrong but to
>> > > > > take care of
>> > > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
>> > > > > monthly revenue
>> > > > > > stream for the long term. And that's what cable and Sat TV
>> > > > > providers are
>> > > > > > really fighting over.....
>> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
>> > > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
>> > > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM.
>> > > > > I enjoyed
>> > > > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Scott
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts <timothyfouts@m...>
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
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David Lay · Jan 21, 2005

I pay via credit card, but not through autopay...At any rate, DirecTV
will cost me $50/month not $80/month that voom charges...

Plus I don't have an HDTV anyway...

Cheers,
Dave

thegrod wrote:

> David,
> Do you pay by credit card? If so, and your service was prematurely and
> suddely terminated, you could contact your credit card company and get a
> refund because of non-delivery of services. Besides, how much could you
> really lose worst case? A partial month?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Lay" <dlayphoto@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>
>
> >
> > Very true...but until I hear something concrete as to the status of the
> > company, next months bill will remain on my desk...
> >
> > D* is being installed today!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Dave
> >
> > thegrod wrote:
> >
> >> Tim,
> >> I am willing to admit that I just don't know at this point. I wish
> others
> >> would do so too.
> >> I hope you are right. I think some of these strong opinions that
> VOOM is
> >> immediately dead come from the Sat guys forum. Frankly, if you go
> >> there and
> >> check it out, you will see that they have sensationalist headlines
> >> like the
> >> National Enquirer. I strongly disagree with that methodology. Unless
> >> they
> >> can say with authority that they know a lot more than the rest of us
> >> via a
> >> direct pipeline to the powers that be. This is one of the dangers
> of the
> >> internet. Everyone gets to be a news reporter, but unlike the news
> >> media,
> >> there is no accountability and no need for responsible reporting.
> Rumors
> >> fly and individual opinions are repeated enough to become fact.
> >> I will wait for the situation to develop, read whatever I can on the
> >> subject
> >> ( and there will be an abundance of reading material), and enjoy
> VOOM as
> >> long as it's up there and is reasonably priced. If it ended
> tomorrow, it
> >> still was perfect for someone like me who got a 50" DLP HDTV 7 mmonths
> >> ago.
> >> It really has filled a void.
> >> I'd like to think that the signups have increased lately based on the
> >> number
> >> of VOOM forum applications I've processed. VOOM spent a lot of money
> >> positioning themselves as the HDTV leader and advertised very
> well. IF I
> >> bought the company I would not be so quick to throw all that out.
> >> We'll see.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Timothy Fouts" <timothyfouts@mac.com>
> >> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:44 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I still say Rainbow 1 is sold but Voom as a company is not sold. Voom
> >> will lease the transponder space back from Dish as Sky Angel does from
> >> Dish.
> >>
> >> On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:46 AM, Bruce Grodner wrote:
> >>
> >> > Keith,
> >> > I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in your email to
> Bob is
> >> > based
> >> > on conjecture. Both yours and the WSJ reported. Admittedly, good
> >> > points
> >> > are raised but if I paid that much for something, which we don't
> know
> >> > yet
> >> > exactly what that is that was purchased and what the intimate
> details
> >> > of the
> >> > deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and make any changes.
> >> > They
> >> > have yet to put a team of management people on it, check the books,
> >> > etc.
> >> > Have you ever bought a company? A company that size will require
> some
> >> > serious appraisal before anything changes. After a period of review
> >> > there
> >> > will be a new game plan for sure. It will make interesting reading.
> >> > as
> >> > Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "keithnet" <voom@keith.net>
> >> > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
> >> > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Bob,
> >> > >
> >> > > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that VOOM is over?
> >> > >
> >> > > Why would they continue the company without their main [and
> >> > currently
> >> > > only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's satellite to
> keep the
> >> > > venture going?
> >> > >
> >> > > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me quote the
> recently
> >> > > published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
> >> > > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom satellite
> service
> >> > > and sell most of the assets of the money-losing business to
> EchoStar
> >> > > Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
> >> > >
> >> > http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?
> >> > mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
> >> > >
> >> > > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much cash and not
> >> > getting
> >> > > enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great service, but great
> >> > > things don't always last.
> >> > >
> >> > > -Keith
> >> > >
> >> > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...> wrote:
> >> > > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think you're
> exaggerting
> >> > a bit
> >> > > > Scott.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite and has a new
> >> > ground
> >> > > station
> >> > > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due to happen right
> >> > > about the
> >> > > > time they promised an increase in channels for March.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I doubt he sent out
> >> > the
> >> > > memo
> >> > > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about to be
> sold. My
> >> > > guess is
> >> > > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here knows
> about yet.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Bob
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
> >> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
> >> > > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> >> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here. Echostar did
> >> > > > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1
> >> > > > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM basically will not
> >> > > > > exist when this deal goes through. VOOM has no more
> >> > > > > satellite. It is just a matter of when the satellite gets
> >> > turned off.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Scott
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> >> > > > > > They are not off the air so just hold your horses. I work in
> >> > the
> >> > > > > corporate
> >> > > > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in these situations.
> >> > And
> >> > > > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my bill and
> >> > expect
> >> > > > > service
> >> > > > > > until I am told to do something different or sent a
> notice of
> >> > > > > termination of
> >> > > > > > services and a refund check for what i've already paid out.
> >> > > > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively
> >> > enumerates
> >> > > > > what is
> >> > > > > > going to happen and when. People have purchased equipment as
> >> > well
> >> > > > > as
> >> > > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered. There
> >> > are
> >> > > > > legal
> >> > > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> >> > > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> >> > > > > programming will
> >> > > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment than
> >> > not. I
> >> > > > > might be
> >> > > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than
> >> > leased.
> >> > > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong
> >> > possibility
> >> > > > > of some
> >> > > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be wrong
> but to
> >> > > > > take care of
> >> > > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
> >> > > > > monthly revenue
> >> > > > > > stream for the long term. And that's what cable and Sat TV
> >> > > > > providers are
> >> > > > > > really fighting over.....
> >> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> >> > > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> >> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> >> > > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM.
> >> > > > > I enjoyed
> >> > > > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Scott
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts
> <timothyfouts@m...>
> >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
> >> > > > > > >
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David Lay · Jan 21, 2005

because even without an hdtv set, the PQ/sounds is WAY better than cable...

Dave

Robert Heitner wrote:

> If you don't have an HDtv, why on earth did you sign up for Voom!????
>
> _____
>
> From: David Lay [mailto:dlayphoto@sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:20 AM
> To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>
>
> I pay via credit card, but not through autopay...At any rate, DirecTV
> will cost me $50/month not $80/month that voom charges...
>
> Plus I don't have an HDTV anyway...
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
> thegrod wrote:
>
> > David,
> > Do you pay by credit card? If so, and your service was prematurely and
> > suddely terminated, you could contact your credit card company and get a
> > refund because of non-delivery of services. Besides, how much could you
> > really lose worst case? A partial month?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Lay" <dlayphoto@sbcglobal.net>
> > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Very true...but until I hear something concrete as to the status
> of the
> > > company, next months bill will remain on my desk...
> > >
> > > D* is being installed today!
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > thegrod wrote:
> > >
> > >> Tim,
> > >> I am willing to admit that I just don't know at this point. I wish
> > others
> > >> would do so too.
> > >> I hope you are right. I think some of these strong opinions that
> > VOOM is
> > >> immediately dead come from the Sat guys forum. Frankly, if you go
> > >> there and
> > >> check it out, you will see that they have sensationalist headlines
> > >> like the
> > >> National Enquirer. I strongly disagree with that methodology. Unless
> > >> they
> > >> can say with authority that they know a lot more than the rest of us
> > >> via a
> > >> direct pipeline to the powers that be. This is one of the dangers
> > of the
> > >> internet. Everyone gets to be a news reporter, but unlike the news
> > >> media,
> > >> there is no accountability and no need for responsible reporting.
> > Rumors
> > >> fly and individual opinions are repeated enough to become fact.
> > >> I will wait for the situation to develop, read whatever I can on the
> > >> subject
> > >> ( and there will be an abundance of reading material), and enjoy
> > VOOM as
> > >> long as it's up there and is reasonably priced. If it ended
> > tomorrow, it
> > >> still was perfect for someone like me who got a 50" DLP HDTV 7
> mmonths
> > >> ago.
> > >> It really has filled a void.
> > >> I'd like to think that the signups have increased lately based on the
> > >> number
> > >> of VOOM forum applications I've processed. VOOM spent a lot of money
> > >> positioning themselves as the HDTV leader and advertised very
> > well. IF I
> > >> bought the company I would not be so quick to throw all that out.
> > >> We'll see.
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Timothy Fouts" <timothyfouts@mac.com>
> > >> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:44 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I still say Rainbow 1 is sold but Voom as a company is not sold.
> Voom
> > >> will lease the transponder space back from Dish as Sky Angel does
> from
> > >> Dish.
> > >>
> > >> On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:46 AM, Bruce Grodner wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Keith,
> > >> > I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in your email to
> > Bob is
> > >> > based
> > >> > on conjecture. Both yours and the WSJ reported. Admittedly, good
> > >> > points
> > >> > are raised but if I paid that much for something, which we don't
> > know
> > >> > yet
> > >> > exactly what that is that was purchased and what the intimate
> > details
> > >> > of the
> > >> > deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and make any
> changes.
> > >> > They
> > >> > have yet to put a team of management people on it, check the
> books,
> > >> > etc.
> > >> > Have you ever bought a company? A company that size will require
> > some
> > >> > serious appraisal before anything changes. After a period of
> review
> > >> > there
> > >> > will be a new game plan for sure. It will make interesting
> reading.
> > >> > as
> > >> > Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: "keithnet" <voom@keith.net>
> > >> > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
> > >> > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Bob,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that VOOM is
> over?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Why would they continue the company without their main [and
> > >> > currently
> > >> > > only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's satellite to
> > keep the
> > >> > > venture going?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me quote the
> > recently
> > >> > > published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
> > >> > > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom satellite
> > service
> > >> > > and sell most of the assets of the money-losing business to
> > EchoStar
> > >> > > Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
> > >> > >
> > >> > http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?
> > >> > mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
> > >> > >
> > >> > > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much cash and not
> > >> > getting
> > >> > > enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great service, but
> great
> > >> > > things don't always last.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -Keith
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...> wrote:
> > >> > > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think you're
> > exaggerting
> > >> > a bit
> > >> > > > Scott.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite and has a new
> > >> > ground
> > >> > > station
> > >> > > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due to happen
> right
> > >> > > about the
> > >> > > > time they promised an increase in channels for March.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I doubt he
> sent out
> > >> > the
> > >> > > memo
> > >> > > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about to be
> > sold. My
> > >> > > guess is
> > >> > > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here knows
> > about yet.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Bob
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
> > >> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
> > >> > > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> > >> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here. Echostar did
> > >> > > > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1
> > >> > > > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM basically will not
> > >> > > > > exist when this deal goes through. VOOM has no more
> > >> > > > > satellite. It is just a matter of when the satellite gets
> > >> > turned off.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Scott
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > >> > > > > > They are not off the air so just hold your horses. I
> work in
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > > corporate
> > >> > > > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in these
> situations.
> > >> > And
> > >> > > > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my bill and
> > >> > expect
> > >> > > > > service
> > >> > > > > > until I am told to do something different or sent a
> > notice of
> > >> > > > > termination of
> > >> > > > > > services and a refund check for what i've already paid
> out.
> > >> > > > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively
> > >> > enumerates
> > >> > > > > what is
> > >> > > > > > going to happen and when. People have purchased
> equipment as
> > >> > well
> > >> > > > > as
> > >> > > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered.
> There
> > >> > are
> > >> > > > > legal
> > >> > > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> > >> > > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> > >> > > > > programming will
> > >> > > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment than
> > >> > not. I
> > >> > > > > might be
> > >> > > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than
> > >> > leased.
> > >> > > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong
> > >> > possibility
> > >> > > > > of some
> > >> > > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be wrong
> > but to
> > >> > > > > take care of
> > >> > > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for
> ptential
> > >> > > > > monthly revenue
> > >> > > > > > stream for the long term. And that's what cable and Sat TV
> > >> > > > > providers are
> > >> > > > > > really fighting over.....
> > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > >> > > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > >> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> > >> > > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM.
> > >> > > > > I enjoyed
> > >> > > > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Scott
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts
> > <timothyfouts@m...>
> > >> > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
> > >> > > > > > >
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Robert Heitner · Jan 21, 2005

If you don't have an HDtv, why on earth did you sign up for Voom!????

_____

From: David Lay [mailto:dlayphoto@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:20 AM
To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1

I pay via credit card, but not through autopay...At any rate, DirecTV
will cost me $50/month not $80/month that voom charges...

Plus I don't have an HDTV anyway...

Cheers,
Dave

thegrod wrote:

> David,
> Do you pay by credit card? If so, and your service was prematurely and
> suddely terminated, you could contact your credit card company and get a
> refund because of non-delivery of services. Besides, how much could you
> really lose worst case? A partial month?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Lay" <dlayphoto@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>
>
> >
> > Very true...but until I hear something concrete as to the status of the
> > company, next months bill will remain on my desk...
> >
> > D* is being installed today!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Dave
> >
> > thegrod wrote:
> >
> >> Tim,
> >> I am willing to admit that I just don't know at this point. I wish
> others
> >> would do so too.
> >> I hope you are right. I think some of these strong opinions that
> VOOM is
> >> immediately dead come from the Sat guys forum. Frankly, if you go
> >> there and
> >> check it out, you will see that they have sensationalist headlines
> >> like the
> >> National Enquirer. I strongly disagree with that methodology. Unless
> >> they
> >> can say with authority that they know a lot more than the rest of us
> >> via a
> >> direct pipeline to the powers that be. This is one of the dangers
> of the
> >> internet. Everyone gets to be a news reporter, but unlike the news
> >> media,
> >> there is no accountability and no need for responsible reporting.
> Rumors
> >> fly and individual opinions are repeated enough to become fact.
> >> I will wait for the situation to develop, read whatever I can on the
> >> subject
> >> ( and there will be an abundance of reading material), and enjoy
> VOOM as
> >> long as it's up there and is reasonably priced. If it ended
> tomorrow, it
> >> still was perfect for someone like me who got a 50" DLP HDTV 7 mmonths
> >> ago.
> >> It really has filled a void.
> >> I'd like to think that the signups have increased lately based on the
> >> number
> >> of VOOM forum applications I've processed. VOOM spent a lot of money
> >> positioning themselves as the HDTV leader and advertised very
> well. IF I
> >> bought the company I would not be so quick to throw all that out.
> >> We'll see.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Timothy Fouts" <timothyfouts@mac.com>
> >> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:44 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I still say Rainbow 1 is sold but Voom as a company is not sold. Voom
> >> will lease the transponder space back from Dish as Sky Angel does from
> >> Dish.
> >>
> >> On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:46 AM, Bruce Grodner wrote:
> >>
> >> > Keith,
> >> > I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in your email to
> Bob is
> >> > based
> >> > on conjecture. Both yours and the WSJ reported. Admittedly, good
> >> > points
> >> > are raised but if I paid that much for something, which we don't
> know
> >> > yet
> >> > exactly what that is that was purchased and what the intimate
> details
> >> > of the
> >> > deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and make any changes.
> >> > They
> >> > have yet to put a team of management people on it, check the books,
> >> > etc.
> >> > Have you ever bought a company? A company that size will require
> some
> >> > serious appraisal before anything changes. After a period of review
> >> > there
> >> > will be a new game plan for sure. It will make interesting reading.
> >> > as
> >> > Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "keithnet" <voom@keith.net>
> >> > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
> >> > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Bob,
> >> > >
> >> > > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that VOOM is over?
> >> > >
> >> > > Why would they continue the company without their main [and
> >> > currently
> >> > > only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's satellite to
> keep the
> >> > > venture going?
> >> > >
> >> > > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me quote the
> recently
> >> > > published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
> >> > > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom satellite
> service
> >> > > and sell most of the assets of the money-losing business to
> EchoStar
> >> > > Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
> >> > >
> >> > http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?
> >> > mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
> >> > >
> >> > > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much cash and not
> >> > getting
> >> > > enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great service, but great
> >> > > things don't always last.
> >> > >
> >> > > -Keith
> >> > >
> >> > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...> wrote:
> >> > > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think you're
> exaggerting
> >> > a bit
> >> > > > Scott.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite and has a new
> >> > ground
> >> > > station
> >> > > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due to happen right
> >> > > about the
> >> > > > time they promised an increase in channels for March.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I doubt he sent out
> >> > the
> >> > > memo
> >> > > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about to be
> sold. My
> >> > > guess is
> >> > > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here knows
> about yet.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Bob
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
> >> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
> >> > > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> >> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here. Echostar did
> >> > > > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1
> >> > > > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM basically will not
> >> > > > > exist when this deal goes through. VOOM has no more
> >> > > > > satellite. It is just a matter of when the satellite gets
> >> > turned off.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Scott
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> >> > > > > > They are not off the air so just hold your horses. I work in
> >> > the
> >> > > > > corporate
> >> > > > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in these situations.
> >> > And
> >> > > > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my bill and
> >> > expect
> >> > > > > service
> >> > > > > > until I am told to do something different or sent a
> notice of
> >> > > > > termination of
> >> > > > > > services and a refund check for what i've already paid out.
> >> > > > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively
> >> > enumerates
> >> > > > > what is
> >> > > > > > going to happen and when. People have purchased equipment as
> >> > well
> >> > > > > as
> >> > > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered. There
> >> > are
> >> > > > > legal
> >> > > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> >> > > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> >> > > > > programming will
> >> > > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment than
> >> > not. I
> >> > > > > might be
> >> > > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than
> >> > leased.
> >> > > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong
> >> > possibility
> >> > > > > of some
> >> > > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be wrong
> but to
> >> > > > > take care of
> >> > > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
> >> > > > > monthly revenue
> >> > > > > > stream for the long term. And that's what cable and Sat TV
> >> > > > > providers are
> >> > > > > > really fighting over.....
> >> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> >> > > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> >> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> >> > > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM.
> >> > > > > I enjoyed
> >> > > > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Scott
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts
> <timothyfouts@m...>
> >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:01 PM, abcward wrote:
> >> > > > > > >
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> >> > > > > music, dance, and theater?
> >> > > > > Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good!
> >> > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/pkgkPB/SOnJAA/Zx0JAA/EyMolB/TM
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berockin1 · Jan 21, 2005

This was probably the reason why VOOM was NOT the 1st to offer ESPN2
HD. I cant believe this is happening ! I hope the next PR has more
info on what's exactly going to happen and when

--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, David Lay <dlayphoto@s...> wrote:
> because even without an hdtv set, the PQ/sounds is WAY better than
cable...
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> Robert Heitner wrote:
>
> > If you don't have an HDtv, why on earth did you sign up for
Voom!????
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: David Lay [mailto:dlayphoto@s...]
> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:20 AM
> > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >
> >
> > I pay via credit card, but not through autopay...At any rate,
DirecTV
> > will cost me $50/month not $80/month that voom charges...
> >
> > Plus I don't have an HDTV anyway...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Dave
> >
> > thegrod wrote:
> >
> > > David,
> > > Do you pay by credit card? If so, and your service was
prematurely and
> > > suddely terminated, you could contact your credit card company
and get a
> > > refund because of non-delivery of services. Besides, how much
could you
> > > really lose worst case? A partial month?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David Lay" <dlayphoto@s...>
> > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:53 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Very true...but until I hear something concrete as to the
status
> > of the
> > > > company, next months bill will remain on my desk...
> > > >
> > > > D* is being installed today!
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > thegrod wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Tim,
> > > >> I am willing to admit that I just don't know at this point.
I wish
> > > others
> > > >> would do so too.
> > > >> I hope you are right. I think some of these strong opinions
that
> > > VOOM is
> > > >> immediately dead come from the Sat guys forum. Frankly, if
you go
> > > >> there and
> > > >> check it out, you will see that they have sensationalist
headlines
> > > >> like the
> > > >> National Enquirer. I strongly disagree with that
methodology. Unless
> > > >> they
> > > >> can say with authority that they know a lot more than the
rest of us
> > > >> via a
> > > >> direct pipeline to the powers that be. This is one of the
dangers
> > > of the
> > > >> internet. Everyone gets to be a news reporter, but unlike
the news
> > > >> media,
> > > >> there is no accountability and no need for responsible
reporting.
> > > Rumors
> > > >> fly and individual opinions are repeated enough to become
fact.
> > > >> I will wait for the situation to develop, read whatever I
can on the
> > > >> subject
> > > >> ( and there will be an abundance of reading material), and
enjoy
> > > VOOM as
> > > >> long as it's up there and is reasonably priced. If it ended
> > > tomorrow, it
> > > >> still was perfect for someone like me who got a 50" DLP HDTV
7
> > mmonths
> > > >> ago.
> > > >> It really has filled a void.
> > > >> I'd like to think that the signups have increased lately
based on the
> > > >> number
> > > >> of VOOM forum applications I've processed. VOOM spent a lot
of money
> > > >> positioning themselves as the HDTV leader and advertised very
> > > well. IF I
> > > >> bought the company I would not be so quick to throw all that
out.
> > > >> We'll see.
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Timothy Fouts" <timothyfouts@m...>
> > > >> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:44 PM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I still say Rainbow 1 is sold but Voom as a company is not
sold.
> > Voom
> > > >> will lease the transponder space back from Dish as Sky Angel
does
> > from
> > > >> Dish.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:46 AM, Bruce Grodner wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Keith,
> > > >> > I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in your
email to
> > > Bob is
> > > >> > based
> > > >> > on conjecture. Both yours and the WSJ reported.
Admittedly, good
> > > >> > points
> > > >> > are raised but if I paid that much for something, which
we don't
> > > know
> > > >> > yet
> > > >> > exactly what that is that was purchased and what the
intimate
> > > details
> > > >> > of the
> > > >> > deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and make
any
> > changes.
> > > >> > They
> > > >> > have yet to put a team of management people on it, check
the
> > books,
> > > >> > etc.
> > > >> > Have you ever bought a company? A company that size will
require
> > > some
> > > >> > serious appraisal before anything changes. After a period
of
> > review
> > > >> > there
> > > >> > will be a new game plan for sure. It will make
interesting
> > reading.
> > > >> > as
> > > >> > Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > From: "keithnet" <voom@k...>
> > > >> > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
> > > >> > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Bob,
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that
VOOM is
> > over?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Why would they continue the company without their main
[and
> > > >> > currently
> > > >> > > only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's
satellite to
> > > keep the
> > > >> > > venture going?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me quote
the
> > > recently
> > > >> > > published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
> > > >> > > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom
satellite
> > > service
> > > >> > > and sell most of the assets of the money-losing
business to
> > > EchoStar
> > > >> > > Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?
> > > >> > mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much cash
and not
> > > >> > getting
> > > >> > > enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great
service, but
> > great
> > > >> > > things don't always last.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > -Keith
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...>
wrote:
> > > >> > > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think you're
> > > exaggerting
> > > >> > a bit
> > > >> > > > Scott.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite and
has a new
> > > >> > ground
> > > >> > > station
> > > >> > > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due to
happen
> > right
> > > >> > > about the
> > > >> > > > time they promised an increase in channels for March.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I doubt
he
> > sent out
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > > memo
> > > >> > > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about to
be
> > > sold. My
> > > >> > > guess is
> > > >> > > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here
knows
> > > about yet.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Bob
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> > > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
> > > >> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
> > > >> > > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
Ranibow 1
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here.
Echostar did
> > > >> > > > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1
> > > >> > > > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM basically
will not
> > > >> > > > > exist when this deal goes through. VOOM has no more
> > > >> > > > > satellite. It is just a matter of when the
satellite gets
> > > >> > turned off.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > Scott
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod"
<bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > > >> > > > > > They are not off the air so just hold your
horses. I
> > work in
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > > > > corporate
> > > >> > > > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in these
> > situations.
> > > >> > And
> > > >> > > > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my
bill and
> > > >> > expect
> > > >> > > > > service
> > > >> > > > > > until I am told to do something different or sent
a
> > > notice of
> > > >> > > > > termination of
> > > >> > > > > > services and a refund check for what i've already
paid
> > out.
> > > >> > > > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it
conclusively
> > > >> > enumerates
> > > >> > > > > what is
> > > >> > > > > > going to happen and when. People have purchased
> > equipment as
> > > >> > well
> > > >> > > > > as
> > > >> > > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be
considered.
> > There
> > > >> > are
> > > >> > > > > legal
> > > >> > > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash
out.
> > > >> > > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their
original
> > > >> > > > > programming will
> > > >> > > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this
moment than
> > > >> > not. I
> > > >> > > > > might be
> > > >> > > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment
rather than
> > > >> > leased.
> > > >> > > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate the
strong
> > > >> > possibility
> > > >> > > > > of some
> > > >> > > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be
wrong
> > > but to
> > > >> > > > > take care of
> > > >> > > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange
for
> > ptential
> > > >> > > > > monthly revenue
> > > >> > > > > > stream for the long term. And that's what cable
and Sat TV
> > > >> > > > > providers are
> > > >> > > > > > really fighting over.....
> > > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > > >> > > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> > > >> > > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
Ranibow 1
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4
years VOOM.
> > > >> > > > > I enjoyed
> > > >> > > > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > Scott
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts
> > > <timothyfouts@m...>
> > > >> > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:01 PM, abcward wrote:
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thegrod · Jan 21, 2005

Berockin.
Not sure I follow you.
----- Original Message -----
From: "berockin1" <berockin1@yahoo.com>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 8:45 AM
Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1

>
>
> This was probably the reason why VOOM was NOT the 1st to offer ESPN2
> HD. I cant believe this is happening ! I hope the next PR has more
> info on what's exactly going to happen and when
>
>
> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, David Lay <dlayphoto@s...> wrote:
>> because even without an hdtv set, the PQ/sounds is WAY better than
> cable...
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert Heitner wrote:
>>
>> > If you don't have an HDtv, why on earth did you sign up for
> Voom!????
>> >
>> > _____
>> >
>> > From: David Lay [mailto:dlayphoto@s...]
>> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:20 AM
>> > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>> >
>> >
>> > I pay via credit card, but not through autopay...At any rate,
> DirecTV
>> > will cost me $50/month not $80/month that voom charges...
>> >
>> > Plus I don't have an HDTV anyway...
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > thegrod wrote:
>> >
>> > > David,
>> > > Do you pay by credit card? If so, and your service was
> prematurely and
>> > > suddely terminated, you could contact your credit card company
> and get a
>> > > refund because of non-delivery of services. Besides, how much
> could you
>> > > really lose worst case? A partial month?
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "David Lay" <dlayphoto@s...>
>> > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:53 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Very true...but until I hear something concrete as to the
> status
>> > of the
>> > > > company, next months bill will remain on my desk...
>> > > >
>> > > > D* is being installed today!
>> > > >
>> > > > Cheers,
>> > > > Dave
>> > > >
>> > > > thegrod wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Tim,
>> > > >> I am willing to admit that I just don't know at this point.
> I wish
>> > > others
>> > > >> would do so too.
>> > > >> I hope you are right. I think some of these strong opinions
> that
>> > > VOOM is
>> > > >> immediately dead come from the Sat guys forum. Frankly, if
> you go
>> > > >> there and
>> > > >> check it out, you will see that they have sensationalist
> headlines
>> > > >> like the
>> > > >> National Enquirer. I strongly disagree with that
> methodology. Unless
>> > > >> they
>> > > >> can say with authority that they know a lot more than the
> rest of us
>> > > >> via a
>> > > >> direct pipeline to the powers that be. This is one of the
> dangers
>> > > of the
>> > > >> internet. Everyone gets to be a news reporter, but unlike
> the news
>> > > >> media,
>> > > >> there is no accountability and no need for responsible
> reporting.
>> > > Rumors
>> > > >> fly and individual opinions are repeated enough to become
> fact.
>> > > >> I will wait for the situation to develop, read whatever I
> can on the
>> > > >> subject
>> > > >> ( and there will be an abundance of reading material), and
> enjoy
>> > > VOOM as
>> > > >> long as it's up there and is reasonably priced. If it ended
>> > > tomorrow, it
>> > > >> still was perfect for someone like me who got a 50" DLP HDTV
> 7
>> > mmonths
>> > > >> ago.
>> > > >> It really has filled a void.
>> > > >> I'd like to think that the signups have increased lately
> based on the
>> > > >> number
>> > > >> of VOOM forum applications I've processed. VOOM spent a lot
> of money
>> > > >> positioning themselves as the HDTV leader and advertised very
>> > > well. IF I
>> > > >> bought the company I would not be so quick to throw all that
> out.
>> > > >> We'll see.
>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> > > >> From: "Timothy Fouts" <timothyfouts@m...>
>> > > >> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> > > >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:44 PM
>> > > >> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I still say Rainbow 1 is sold but Voom as a company is not
> sold.
>> > Voom
>> > > >> will lease the transponder space back from Dish as Sky Angel
> does
>> > from
>> > > >> Dish.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:46 AM, Bruce Grodner wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > Keith,
>> > > >> > I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in your
> email to
>> > > Bob is
>> > > >> > based
>> > > >> > on conjecture. Both yours and the WSJ reported.
> Admittedly, good
>> > > >> > points
>> > > >> > are raised but if I paid that much for something, which
> we don't
>> > > know
>> > > >> > yet
>> > > >> > exactly what that is that was purchased and what the
> intimate
>> > > details
>> > > >> > of the
>> > > >> > deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and make
> any
>> > changes.
>> > > >> > They
>> > > >> > have yet to put a team of management people on it, check
> the
>> > books,
>> > > >> > etc.
>> > > >> > Have you ever bought a company? A company that size will
> require
>> > > some
>> > > >> > serious appraisal before anything changes. After a period
> of
>> > review
>> > > >> > there
>> > > >> > will be a new game plan for sure. It will make
> interesting
>> > reading.
>> > > >> > as
>> > > >> > Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
>> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > >> > From: "keithnet" <voom@k...>
>> > > >> > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> > > >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
>> > > >> > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > Bob,
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that
> VOOM is
>> > over?
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > Why would they continue the company without their main
> [and
>> > > >> > currently
>> > > >> > > only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's
> satellite to
>> > > keep the
>> > > >> > > venture going?
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me quote
> the
>> > > recently
>> > > >> > > published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
>> > > >> > > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom
> satellite
>> > > service
>> > > >> > > and sell most of the assets of the money-losing
> business to
>> > > EchoStar
>> > > >> > > Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> >
> http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?
>> > > >> > mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much cash
> and not
>> > > >> > getting
>> > > >> > > enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great
> service, but
>> > great
>> > > >> > > things don't always last.
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > -Keith
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...>
> wrote:
>> > > >> > > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think you're
>> > > exaggerting
>> > > >> > a bit
>> > > >> > > > Scott.
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite and
> has a new
>> > > >> > ground
>> > > >> > > station
>> > > >> > > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due to
> happen
>> > right
>> > > >> > > about the
>> > > >> > > > time they promised an increase in channels for March.
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I doubt
> he
>> > sent out
>> > > >> > the
>> > > >> > > memo
>> > > >> > > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about to
> be
>> > > sold. My
>> > > >> > > guess is
>> > > >> > > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here
> knows
>> > > about yet.
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > > > Bob
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > >> > > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
>> > > >> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
>> > > >> > > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
>> > > >> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
> Ranibow 1
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here.
> Echostar did
>> > > >> > > > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1
>> > > >> > > > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM basically
> will not
>> > > >> > > > > exist when this deal goes through. VOOM has no more
>> > > >> > > > > satellite. It is just a matter of when the
> satellite gets
>> > > >> > turned off.
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > Scott
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod"
> <bruceg@h...> wrote:
>> > > >> > > > > > They are not off the air so just hold your
> horses. I
>> > work in
>> > > >> > the
>> > > >> > > > > corporate
>> > > >> > > > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in these
>> > situations.
>> > > >> > And
>> > > >> > > > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my
> bill and
>> > > >> > expect
>> > > >> > > > > service
>> > > >> > > > > > until I am told to do something different or sent
> a
>> > > notice of
>> > > >> > > > > termination of
>> > > >> > > > > > services and a refund check for what i've already
> paid
>> > out.
>> > > >> > > > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it
> conclusively
>> > > >> > enumerates
>> > > >> > > > > what is
>> > > >> > > > > > going to happen and when. People have purchased
>> > equipment as
>> > > >> > well
>> > > >> > > > > as
>> > > >> > > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be
> considered.
>> > There
>> > > >> > are
>> > > >> > > > > legal
>> > > >> > > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash
> out.
>> > > >> > > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their
> original
>> > > >> > > > > programming will
>> > > >> > > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this
> moment than
>> > > >> > not. I
>> > > >> > > > > might be
>> > > >> > > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment
> rather than
>> > > >> > leased.
>> > > >> > > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate the
> strong
>> > > >> > possibility
>> > > >> > > > > of some
>> > > >> > > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be
> wrong
>> > > but to
>> > > >> > > > > take care of
>> > > >> > > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange
> for
>> > ptential
>> > > >> > > > > monthly revenue
>> > > >> > > > > > stream for the long term. And that's what cable
> and Sat TV
>> > > >> > > > > providers are
>> > > >> > > > > > really fighting over.....
>> > > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > >> > > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
>> > > >> > > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> > > >> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
>> > > >> > > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
> Ranibow 1
>> > > >> > > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4
> years VOOM.
>> > > >> > > > > I enjoyed
>> > > >> > > > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
>> > > >> > > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > > Scott
>> > > >> > > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts
>> > > <timothyfouts@m...>
>> > > >> > > > > wrote:
>> > > >> > > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
>> > > >> > > > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > > > On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:01 PM, abcward wrote:
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