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thanks so much! i forgot to ask him and hes on vacation till wed. i told him i would be pointed and ready to go with my second dish. i ran a couple of differant programs getting defferant numbers each time. the rag heads don't understand a thing! I'm getting the hn7700 for voip testing. comparing it with vonage. this will be "my" new modem to keep with a pro-plus plan. when i get it running I'll post some results. apparently its not so hush hush now the modems are out. they are looking into some kind of work for free service if i continue beta testing for them. and a hint they may do more than that like maybe working here in San Diego for there business sales west coast office tech support. they are scheduling a training day. this really is sounding good. the marines i work with want hn units to take to the sand box. i got one setup all ready for one unit they all want one now. they seem to work pretty good over there with the .98m dish and portable stand. and a vonage phone line. for cheap calls home. well its getting late, I'll keep you posted. and thanks again!hobojoe said:I just got word i'm getting a HN7700S for this test. doesn't it have a built in router and voip?