I'll bet there are even more that are crying the blues that the did bite on Windows 8.
They gave up compatibility, familiarity and good money to gain what exactly? Microsoft was dangling a rotten carrot.
Windows XP End of Support
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They gave up compatibility, familiarity and good money to gain what exactly? Microsoft was dangling a rotten carrot.
http://www.dailytech.com/With+XP+En...uts+How+Badly+Do+You+Want+XP/article34677.htm
Of course if you are willing to pay some big $$, MS will still do security patches for XP.
Of course if you are willing to pay some big $$, MS will still do security patches for XP.
And a lot of that 'computing power' is a necessary just to run the OS. And then there's the hardware compatibility issue.
Example: under Xp a card reader, I have, will read/write on a 2Gig card. The same reader will, when plugged into Vista, will demand a reformat to 1 gig. Plug the same card reader into the same computer, but running Ubuntu Linux, reads/writes at 2Gig. Hardware, MIA! It was MS holding the reader manufacturers hostage to pay a fee to have a piece of code embedded in the hardware.
Wonder how much of the same is in 8?
Windows end of support dates
1/14/2020 is the current end of support date for Windows 7
1/10/2023 is the current end of support date for Windows 8
Even if this were true, it is in no way a compelling argument to change to the newer version.
The point of upgrading is to reap the associated benefits. Going from an earlier version of Windows to Windows 8 brings few real benefits to the end user. The best you can hope for is to not lose anything important.
Windows 8 about helping out Microsoft, VARs, hardware manufacturers and Dummies book authors generate revenue streams where the old ones had dried up (or never materialized).
If you do not mix XP and the internet, XP could be used forever, pretty much worry free.
On the other hand I completely understand MS not wanting to support it any more. I would suspect that the vast majority of XP overseas is pirated anyways.
Dayumn Phat, you sound like me, ie, I still have a Win 98 box too. I've got an old one that I built years ago that I still use as a Quake II game server and it still works well for that. It's not used on the internet though, just my LAN.
RE: XP? I've got multiple PCs and laptops that have that on them and I'll continue to use those until I run into something that I need to run and can't do with them.
I've got a couple of hard drives that have XP x64 on'em that have been run with no antivirus software for a few years now with no problems. Just have to be careful where I go with those though.
For "questionable" sites/surfing I use Ubuntu Linux as all 4 of my systems are multi boot using different hard drives for the different operating systems in the same case. I just choose the boot drive in BIOS at boot up. The desktop in my shop has 6 hard drives in it and each one is bootable.
That computer has XP, XP x64 (2), Vista, 7 and Ubuntu 12.04. Most of my time on that computer is spent on either Ubuntu or XP x64.
Why so many OSs in one box? Well, because I can for one. The other reason is I do some computer repair/maintenance for the locals here so it's nice to have one that is working OK when troubleshooting one that isn't. I have copied some files from mine and put them in one that had corrupt ones. In fact, did that on an XP box two weeks ago.
Ennywho, I'd bet that there will be LOTS of ppl still using XP well into the future especially if the antivirus ppl keep supporting it.
RE: XP? I've got multiple PCs and laptops that have that on them and I'll continue to use those until I run into something that I need to run and can't do with them.
I've got a couple of hard drives that have XP x64 on'em that have been run with no antivirus software for a few years now with no problems. Just have to be careful where I go with those though.
For "questionable" sites/surfing I use Ubuntu Linux as all 4 of my systems are multi boot using different hard drives for the different operating systems in the same case. I just choose the boot drive in BIOS at boot up. The desktop in my shop has 6 hard drives in it and each one is bootable.
That computer has XP, XP x64 (2), Vista, 7 and Ubuntu 12.04. Most of my time on that computer is spent on either Ubuntu or XP x64. Why so many OSs in one box? Well, because I can for one. The other reason is I do some computer repair/maintenance for the locals here so it's nice to have one that is working OK when troubleshooting one that isn't. I have copied some files from mine and put them in one that had corrupt ones. In fact, did that on an XP box two weeks ago.
Ennywho, I'd bet that there will be LOTS of ppl still using XP well into the future especially if the antivirus ppl keep supporting it.
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I think I've discovered one of the ways that Microsoft is going to intentionally cause damage to those using XP. With the recent Patch Tuesday distribution of "fixes" for Windows Vista, they dropped a bomb on the LMCompatibility registry entry that may make it difficult to include XP and older machines in Windows sharing networks. I installed the patches (19.2MB) and discovered that I lost access to an old Buffalo NAS. The LMCompatibility entry had been changed from 2 to 3. Changing it back to 2 fixed the access issue but something that disables access that you currently have shouldn't be done without warning.
Sneaky bastards.
Sneaky bastards.
Absolutely nobody who uses ANY version of Windows should assume that they can do it worry free. Security updates represent only what they've been able to fix, not all that is known to be problematic.
Yeah, who knows what was included in the last patch Tuesday for my WinXP box that came down yesterday. I probably shouldn't have applied it.
took the jump and installed Mint on the wifes old xp pc. did not work out well. all i get is a (i guess) desktop with runny colors there is a button top right that lets me reboot. i can get back to xp. but how do i uninstall this mint? to get back the HD space ?
it's only a 100gig HD. oh the pain
it's only a 100gig HD. oh the pain
I have an XP box in the basement Folding proteins for the Stanford distributed computing project. It resides on our home LAN behind a NAT router with uPNP disabled. I don't do anything with this PC except let it Fold 24x7. I have no plans to upgrade it to a newer version of Windows because it does what it does very well.
If you use XP to access the Internet, though, I'd make sure that you:
1) use a non-Administrative account
2) sit on a Home LAN protected by a secure (non-compromised) NAT router
3) run some form of Anti-malware
4) uninstall Flash
5) uninstall Java
6) uninstall Silverlight
7) use Chrome (or Firefox) as your browser, not IE 6/7/8
8) never click on a link in an e-mail, IM, chat, or other unsolicited message
9) keep your remaining applications up-to-date
10) check out ISC.SANS.EDU (the Internet Storm Center) for the latest security advisories
11) never install software unless you trust the publisher and source of the installer package
12) Backup your Data!!!!!! If the worse happens and you have to rebuild your PC, do it from a scorched-earth disk, not simply reinstalling on top of your compromised disk. Then you can recover your data from your Backup. This is actually faster than spending days and weeks trying to disinfect a PC.
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—Roland
If you use XP to access the Internet, though, I'd make sure that you:
1) use a non-Administrative account
2) sit on a Home LAN protected by a secure (non-compromised) NAT router
3) run some form of Anti-malware
4) uninstall Flash
5) uninstall Java
6) uninstall Silverlight
7) use Chrome (or Firefox) as your browser, not IE 6/7/8
8) never click on a link in an e-mail, IM, chat, or other unsolicited message
9) keep your remaining applications up-to-date
10) check out ISC.SANS.EDU (the Internet Storm Center) for the latest security advisories
11) never install software unless you trust the publisher and source of the installer package
12) Backup your Data!!!!!! If the worse happens and you have to rebuild your PC, do it from a scorched-earth disk, not simply reinstalling on top of your compromised disk. Then you can recover your data from your Backup. This is actually faster than spending days and weeks trying to disinfect a PC.
Comments?
—Roland
without Flash a computer is worthless to me, without Java i might make it.
Chrome - use very little but it still keeps track of what i do in other browsers.. really hate that
can tell by it's little boxes showing sites i never use it for yuk
Since Internet Explorer 8 is the last browser Microsoft supports on XP, that is where you can be the most vulnerable. If you could run IE 10 or 11 it wouldn't be so bad.
One thing I do with IE 10 is disable Flash on all sites by default. I enable it only on sites I "trust" and it is needed to function. Otherwise, all Flash is used for are annoying ads that can bring Malware onto a machine.
—Roland
One thing I do with IE 10 is disable Flash on all sites by default. I enable it only on sites I "trust" and it is needed to function. Otherwise, all Flash is used for are annoying ads that can bring Malware onto a machine.
—Roland
Aside from the common sense safe computing items (be careful what you click, install, and back up your data), much of that is overkill. A good AV/Malware program and ZoneAlarm firewall is all I need to stay virus/malware free.
i did this
and found this. not easy and the wife can't find her restore disk so far. as i understand if i just delete the Mint(that's easy) it will not boot up in XP as Mint has killed windows boot loader.
any ideas please ?
thanks for reading
http://www.howtogeek.com/141818/how-to-uninstall-a-linux-dual-boot-system-from-your-computer/\
You will also have to restore the Windows boot loader, as Linux overwrites the Windows boot loader with its own boot loader, known as “GRUB.” After deleting the partitions, the GRUB boot loader won’t boot your computer properly.
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The KBs have a terrible habit of being incomplete and referencing multiple other incomplete articles. It shouldn't be necessary to repeatedly teleport users around on the Microsoft website, but nobody would visit it otherwise because it is such a hostile environment littered with mis- and dis-information.
They certainly wouldn't come out and tell you that a patch was actually a trap.
Given the rapidly shrinking number of those still battling IE, that's probably not a major issue. Use of all versions of IE combined is now below 10% according to the latest w3schools survey.
