Best Western 88 Room DRE setup

[Claude Greiner]

88 Room Best Western I’m working on.

Just finished wiring the DRE board today with (4) DSWM30 switches

All the wiring is home run, just have to replace the 16 way splitters with a combination of 4 and 8 way splitters to plus into this board.

 

[Claude Greiner]

This is what I’ll be cleaning up...

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[Claude Greiner]

 

[reubenray]

Very nice.

What receivers will be used for the rooms or will it all be SD?

 

[HoTat2]

Or I guess the pertinent questions would be will all the boxes in the 88 rooms be HD receivers (H25s?), or some with DVRs (HR24s)?

And as the resulting spaghetti mess of cabling in one of the photos shows. Why would that Hotel choose "Homerun" topology from the backbone instead of the much more sensible, cleaner, and less expensive "Loop-thru?"

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[Claude Greiner]

Or I guess the pertinent questions would be will all the boxes in the 88 rooms be HD receivers (H25s?), or some with DVRs (HR24s)?

And as the resulting spaghetti mess of cabling in one of the photos shows. Why would that Hotel choose "Homerun" topology from the backbone instead of the much more sensible, cleaner, and less expensive "Loop-thru?"

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Yeah all HD, all H25’s

Home run wiring is always better than loop through.

 

[slice1900]

Or I guess the pertinent questions would be will all the boxes in the 88 rooms be HD receivers (H25s?), or some with DVRs (HR24s)?

And as the resulting spaghetti mess of cabling in one of the photos shows. Why would that Hotel choose "Homerun" topology from the backbone instead of the much more sensible, cleaner, and less expensive "Loop-thru?"

I think Directv's support of loop-thru was for hotels that already had wire and splitters in the wall and didn't want to rip everything apart. If you have home run, why would you use loop through? If you had the walls open for remodeling, why wouldn't you do home run wiring? That gives you the greatest amount of flexibility, and while it costs more if a hotel is remodeling the cost difference of loop thru vs home run will be lost in the noise compared to how much they spend remodeling bathrooms, replacing carpet, upgrading sprinkler systems and so forth.

 

[Claude Greiner]

I think Directv's support of loop-thru was for hotels that already had wire and splitters in the wall and didn't want to rip everything apart. If you have home run, why would you use loop through? If you had the walls open for remodeling, why wouldn't you do home run wiring? That gives you the greatest amount of flexibility, and while it costs more if a hotel is remodeling the cost difference of loop thru vs home run will be lost in the noise compared to how much they spend remodeling bathrooms, replacing carpet, upgrading sprinkler systems and so forth.

Yes, the support of loop through was for older hotels. Even if you do loop through DRE, you still got to replace all the splitters, taps, wall plates and fittings.

To be honest, the places that have loop through wiring the wire is in such poor condition it’s rarely done.

First of all most if that garbage is RG59. Then if it is RG6, you can’t crimp a new connector on it because the wire is too short.

Then you got the issues with fitting the tap in the box and then you got to find out where the loop starts and ends.

It’s easier just to put in a com3000 digital headend and leave the existing wiring alone, or rewire everything.

You really don’t want to mess with loop anyways, because if there are any issues your going to be going back out there for free to try to fix it.

It’s bad enough we don’t make enough money on these large jobs to begin with. We can’t afford to eat the cost of a rewire.

Usually on a loop through we will quote it as a com3000 if they have proidium televisions, or quote it as a rewire

 

[TheRatPatrol]

Yeah all HD, all H25’s

I guess there’s still a good supply of H25’s out there. Are they still making them?

 

[reubenray]

Are all of these receivers supplied by one dish?

 

[slice1900]

I guess there’s still a good supply of H25’s out there. Are they still making them?

Pretty sure they are not. Someone said that Directv is allocating all the H25s for commercial, which is why if you go to Solid Signal they are charging like $299 or something for an "H25" (i.e. for residential use) but the H25-COM is $99.

 

[HoTat2]

Pretty sure they are not. Someone said that Directv is allocating all the H25s for commercial, which is why if you go to Solid Signal they are charging like $299 or something for an "H25" (i.e. for residential use) but the H25-COM is $99.

Yes, that and the current supply of H44 Genie Lites converted with four of its five tuners disabled have been allocated to the commercial non-DVR receiver inventory as well.

A terribly wasteful end result for the Genie Lite in my view. But is what AT&T/DIRECTV ultimately dicided to do as cheaper than developing a new box I guess.

So ....

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[Claude Greiner]

Pretty sure they are not. Someone said that Directv is allocating all the H25s for commercial, which is why if you go to Solid Signal they are charging like $299 or something for an "H25" (i.e. for residential use) but the H25-COM is $99.

That has nothing to do with it. That’s just solid signal ripping people off as usual.

 

[Claude Greiner]

I guess there’s still a good supply of H25’s out there. Are they still making them?

Everything we get it manufactured 2010/2012

They are getting a good supply, likely from customer disconnects.

But then again I have seen customers who have H25 told to keep the equipment and recycle it.

 

[larry55]

A very good neat job.

 

[TheRatPatrol]

Yes, that and the current supply of H44 Genie Lites converted with four of its five tuners disabled have been allocated to the commercial non-DVR receiver inventory as well.

A terribly wasteful end result for the Genie Lite in my view. But is what AT&T/DIRECTV ultimately dicided to do as cheaper than developing a new box I guess.

I agree, what a waste of tuners. One of those could serve 5 TVs, two 10 TVs, etc, etc. Although I don’t know how the client supply chain is. I don’t think we’ll see any new satellite receivers anytime soon.

 

[Patrick Smith]

Yes, the support of loop through was for older hotels. Even if you do loop through DRE, you still got to replace all the splitters, taps, wall plates and fittings.

To be honest, the places that have loop through wiring the wire is in such poor condition it’s rarely done.

First of all most if that garbage is RG59. Then if it is RG6, you can’t crimp a new connector on it because the wire is too short.

Then you got the issues with fitting the tap in the box and then you got to find out where the loop starts and ends.

It’s easier just to put in a com3000 digital headend and leave the existing wiring alone, or rewire everything.

You really don’t want to mess with loop anyways, because if there are any issues your going to be going back out there for free to try to fix it.

It’s bad enough we don’t make enough money on these large jobs to begin with. We can’t afford to eat the cost of a rewire.

Usually on a loop through we will quote it as a com3000 if they have proidium televisions, or quote it as a rewire

I install for Sonifi and we run into this all the time. Freaking hate loop through.


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[cpalmer2k]

Always love seeing these posts. I wish there was a definite "list" of hotels with DRE systems. I've always wanted to stay at a hotel that has it, but have never found one in our areas we typically travel to.

 

[HoTat2]

A very good neat job.

Especially like the idea of color-coding the cables in these assemblies. Makes the inter-connections on the board much easier to follow even though there are many of them packed in a relatively small area ...

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[slice1900]

I agree, what a waste of tuners. One of those could serve 5 TVs, two 10 TVs, etc, etc. Although I don’t know how the client supply chain is. I don’t think we’ll see any new satellite receivers anytime soon.

Yeah, it makes no sense that Directv doesn't support clients in a commercial environment. They are cheaper, smaller, lower power, could be used over twisted pair or wireless instead of coax only, etc. etc.