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As you get older you get lazy Ice 
I try to keep my website updated with inside info I get. People can always get the latest info there. If I post it here in say March and then it changes in April the info here has to be updated here too. I put a lot of effort in everything 4D there so its best for people to go there for the latest updates on everything. Newbee's don't know about it so hyper linking is good thing. I'm dedicated to the 4DTV you know Ice and have spent countless hours with the conversion process, the website and lately the Map Master project has been taking up my time. I know your pro DirecTV and yes Direct has it's place. I have it its ok, and my neighbor just kicked Dishnet to the curb and got Direct also. Rain fade is my pet peeve with Direct. It's not just me everyone in this area I talked in person gets knocked out during rain with Direct. I live in a bad area for that but thats another story for some other day. Back to the Denver Nets...
The latest on the Denver nets is they are on the back burner. The Discovery channel issues has to be settled by June then SRL can investigate the Denver nets. For now the old east coast SRL Nets are in ZK on W3 and can be seen for free with a 922 & 905 . Enjoy the freebee's and let Denver happen in its own time frame. I don't think many understand all the red tape, BS and $$$ that need to be done before a channel can be sold. It don't happen in a heartbeat.
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tvropro said:
I'm with you tvropro, because you've shown commitment to 4dtv and the conversion. That said, I get where Ice is coming from, it would be nice to see the info here on SatGuys, perhaps you could post a high level overview?
At the end of the day you, me and a bunch of other folks are interested in 4dtv conversion being a success and the more info you post here, even in snippet form can only help.
Is the problem with Direct because of the Ka band? I have Dish with a 1000.2 antenna and a 211K receiver and it hasn't skipped a beat even in heavy downpours. Admittedly those are rare here as compared to Chicago but when they do occur they are equivalent.
Is the problem with Direct because of the Ka band? I have Dish with a 1000.2 antenna and a 211K receiver and it hasn't skipped a beat even in heavy downpours. Admittedly those are rare here as compared to Chicago but when they do occur they are equivalent.
Ka is 3 times more susceptible than ku to rain fade, although we loose 101 here Directs SD bird on ku. I even use a 90 cm dish which keeps it playing in moderate rainfall but still dies when it cranks up. Dish Network is no better here it goes out too just as much. What is aggravating is sometimes we have rain events that go on most of the day and Direct can be up and down like a ping pong. Thats BS to me it reminds me of RTN on G-18. When my 4D HITS programming from X4 on Ku was on 99w I used the same 90cm for that. It did not go out as much as Direct. It seems that the DC-2 can deal with bit errors better than Direct can. C band never goes out it is able to be enjoyed while it's pouring. I talked to Direct about the issue and they have no answers because there are none. They must use k bands to use small dishes and most people get brainwashed to accept the crap that comes along with pizza. When your an old time C bander and have watched a properly designed system without corners cut for years, your not fast to accept what the brainwashed masses have been taught to accept as the norm.
True dat.
My neighbor & brother both have direct & say how clear the picture is & all I can say is "wow" It looks washed, or like the colors are bleeding. Another friend has dish & the same thing. Then you have cable & oh; what an eye sore cable is.
But I might have to go with cable since they don't lock you into a contract, imprison your ss number, or put holds on your bank account & have the ability to dip in any time they want. But the picture quality is horrible with cable.
I still haven't converted to hth yet. Not sure yet if I will.unless some kind of networks like the Denver Networks come back & the Discoveries stay.
Here is my whole take on the issue
You make it sound like its too hard to copy/paste something here? If something changes then let folks know here. Not everyone clicks on a link (which I will get to in a sec) to see whats new. In the "FreeDBS" thread (ugh cant believe I brought that up) thats how alot of us got supposed "updates". Not by checking their site. But by seeing new posts here
How do you think a newbie feels if they google info and see posts here at Satelliteguys. They click on the link only to see a post with nothing but a link to another site.
Me personally I'd be pissed. I know thats how I felt when I "bricked" my Sonicview and was trying to find software to fix it. I'd google and find a thread. I'd click on it and then I had to register then it would either be a dead link or a link to another site which really aggravated me.
I have had PM's from folks asking why we are allowing what amounts to hyperlinks in a thread continuously (some from new folks) and it raises a good point.
Technically links in signatures is not allowed unless its one for the "folding at home" or a link to get a "pub membership" but yet we've allowed it. But all it takes is one person to report it and it would have to be removed. Remember we have a few different rules in the FTA area and other mods dont know some of the quirks here. So if someone reports a post/thread/signature/avatar the other mods may do things that normally I wouldn't.
Why? How hard would it be to copy/paste the info here? You were doing that at one time then all of a sudden quit doing that.
You make it sound like its too hard to copy/paste something here? If something changes then let folks know here. Not everyone clicks on a link (which I will get to in a sec) to see whats new. In the "FreeDBS" thread (ugh cant believe I brought that up) thats how alot of us got supposed "updates". Not by checking their site. But by seeing new posts here
so thats the real reason. Its not a "copy/paste" or post here thing. Its that you want the clicks.
How do you think a newbie feels if they google info and see posts here at Satelliteguys. They click on the link only to see a post with nothing but a link to another site.
Me personally I'd be pissed. I know thats how I felt when I "bricked" my Sonicview and was trying to find software to fix it. I'd google and find a thread. I'd click on it and then I had to register then it would either be a dead link or a link to another site which really aggravated me.
I have had PM's from folks asking why we are allowing what amounts to hyperlinks in a thread continuously (some from new folks) and it raises a good point.
Technically links in signatures is not allowed unless its one for the "folding at home" or a link to get a "pub membership" but yet we've allowed it. But all it takes is one person to report it and it would have to be removed. Remember we have a few different rules in the FTA area and other mods dont know some of the quirks here. So if someone reports a post/thread/signature/avatar the other mods may do things that normally I wouldn't.
but you still couldn't post the info here?
What does this have to do with anything much less the topic at hand? I have Directv and I have posted my reasons why I have them. They have channels that Dish doesn't. I've said it a few times that if H2H carried some "basic" channels maybe I'd have a sub with them. But they don't so I resort to other means.
3/4 FEC versus 7/8 FEC....that's why
I still dont know why you have so many issues with rain fade. I've seen posts from folks in Florida who have less rain fade than you "claim" you have.
huh?
Imprison your SS # and put holds on your bank account?
Thats new to me
I called up and ordered with no issues and Directv doesnt have any "bank info" on file for me. They have an old cc # that was canceled on file for me
If you dont want to give them your SS# they allow that.
It's not only me it's everyone I talk to with DBS around here. It has to do with the AZ & EL that the dishes point in the sky and the way the storm cells come in. Since I'm new to DBS and always watched C band I never knew it existed. BTW Direct uses 6/7 FEC on SD, weird rate.
I have the issue solved now as best as it will ever get. I watch H2H when the weather gets bad and let Direct do it's 771 to no audience here
huh?
Imprison your SS # and put holds on your bank account?
Thats new to me
I called up and ordered with no issues and Directv doesnt have any "bank info" on file for me. They have an old cc # that was canceled on file for me
If you dont want to give them your SS# they allow that.
I refused to give Direct My SS# They said they could check my credit doing my home address. In about 2 minutes they came back and started offering me the world. So if you credit is good Direct is cool.
If Direct ever tries to mess with the card number they have I will put a freeze on the account so they cannot use it and have my bank fight out any charges they may pull. Dish Network stole $200 prepayed from me in 1995 for an install they never did. It was a no win fight till my bank stepped in and played hardball to get my money back. Charlie is such a jerk.
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They want my ss number to run a credit check. My credit is in the toilet due to the economy. They want, I believe they said for 6 months, a $360.00 hold on my bank & automatic payments, since my credit is bad. I realize that if I had a credit card, there would be no problems. I read somewhere in these forums a while back that the Direct system can be purchased out right to avoid the hassles. I believe it was you that said that. And I do know that you know what you're talking about, but Direct informed me they have never heard of such a thing. I also have no credit cards no more & those I did have are forever absorbed into the system. There is also the 2 year contract issue & the incremental increases over the course of the 2 years. It's like they know it's very high priced but they goad you into an initial cheap price & lock you in so you have to pay the higher price later. And most people are aware of the increase & are OK with it at first but when the increase hits, people get ticked off because a year later, they might be struggling financially. .huh?
Imprison your SS # and put holds on your bank account?
Thats new to me
I called up and ordered with no issues and Directv doesnt have any "bank info" on file for me. They have an old cc # that was canceled on file for me
If you dont want to give them your SS# they allow that.
. All I really want are the local channels plus a few others, like 20 channels in all, not 200. I live between two mountain ranges so OTA is difficult since the new digital broadcasting went into effect. I do have a real good antenna and it's 30 feet in the air but I can only get 1 channel now. So it seems kinda crappy that all this new digital stuff is leaving me in the dark because I'm either not rich enough or have good enough credit to watch TV. Actually, I think it's both.
A lot of people in my area have trouble too with their pizza washing out!
My sister has direct and looses her signal quite often even without rain!
When she used to call in about no signal on a nice day they would
tell her that it is just a solar flare up or possibly sun spots - it happens.
She does not call anymore to complain about the service outages -
now she just calls and complains about the perpetual price increases!!!...
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