DISH Drops AMC Networks (AMC Back on DISH channel 131)
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If it were over carriage fees... but as I had debated, it was never about the fees.
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Not about a court case? The hypothetical fee you keep mentioning was just that, hypothetical. Josh Sapan said:
If this were about a fee, as DISH claimed it was and you apparently believe, a deal would have been reached, especially with all the complaints on Facebook and Twitter. Charlie made up his mind when the SCONY ruled on the motion regarding the mammoth email dump by DISH, and he lost.
Not about a court case? The hypothetical fee you keep mentioning was just that, hypothetical. Josh Sapan said:
If this were about a fee, as DISH claimed it was and you apparently believe, a deal would have been reached, especially with all the complaints on Facebook and Twitter. Charlie made up his mind when the SCONY ruled on the motion regarding the mammoth email dump by DISH, and he lost.
Your premise is wrong. No, even with pressure Dish will not pay too much if they think they are. If I gave examples this post would be pages long.
You are also reading his quote wrong. He said the 75 cents is not necessarily how much they will ask now, certainly not that they won't be asking for more, they are asking for more. Nothing hypothetical about it. And it's also about Dish not wanting to carry a couple of their channels no one watches but AMC not allowing them to carry AMC without those channels. You are overblowing the importance of the VOOM court case. Dish is making this more public and acting childish in my opinion because of the suit. But make no mistake about it, this would happening without the suit. As posted another carrier went through the same thing.
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No, they are one and the same. You can rationalize it any way you want. The lawsuit came first, which negates any debate that dropping AMC is over a carriage fee. The lawsuit will remain even if a decision regarding carrying AMC is reached by the end of the month. So, there will be a court case after June 30. It is not now, nor will it be over being DROP by DISH.
Why do you keep changing your post?
I am not reading the quote wrong. What he is saying is that He believes AMC is worth $0.75/sub/month and that his valuation is not necessarily what AMC will be paid in the future.
Would you mind posting your proof that AMC asked for $0.75/sub.month? And when you do, make sure it shows that AMC wanted $0.75/sub/month for AMC alone - that is not including IFC, IFC Films, WE and Sundance.
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So to you, they are asking nothing because they are not asking for the 75 cents they want to get eventually. We all know they are most certainly asking for an increase. No one is saying it is 75 cents. It has already been posted, I'm not going to do your research for you. It's a fact, AMC is asking for more. It's a fact they want all their channels carried to get AMC.
I have no doubt that AMC is asking for an increase, that's what contract negotiations are about, and all of them do it. Its not so high that it would event in AMC being dropped. But you are suggesting that its all about the carriage fee. My contention is that the SCONY decision sealed AMC's fate, and DISH was going to drop them even if they did not ask for a price increase.
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I don't know what you do for fun on the Internet, Tampa8, but I spend a lot of my free time reading court cases. I didn't just learn about the VOOM case recently. I knew all about the email dump in this case, as I did in the case of Broccoli v. EchoStar. DISH has a way of attempting to hide their misdeeds, and because of Broccoli, the jury in this case will hear of DISH's egregious evidence dumping -- and that will not bode well for Charlie. The steam must have been pouring out of every orifice of Charlie's body, and I have no doubt in my mind that Charlie and his partners in crime had planned on dumping AMC pending the most recent SCONY decision. Had it gone in DISH's favor, AMC would not be dropped June 30.
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I don't know what you do for fun on the Internet, Tampa8, but I spend a lot of my free time reading court cases. I didn't just learn about the VOOM case recently. I knew all about the email dump in this case, as I did in the case of Broccoli v. EchoStar. DISH has a way of attempting to hide their misdeeds, and because of Broccoli, the jury in this case will hear of DISH's egregious evidence dumping -- and that will not bode well for Charlie. The steam must have been pouring out of every orifice of Charlie's body, and I have no doubt in my mind that Charlie and his partners in crime had planned on dumping AMC pending the most recent SCONY decision. Had it gone in DISH's favor, AMC would not be dropped June 30.
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demsd said:
Demsd,
Do you know what really came first? Dish being willing to temporarily/permanently drop channels during carriage disputes in order to try and limit what they have to pay providers.
Love it, or hate it, it's happened time and again. Some complain that Dish does it too much, while others applaud it for saving money. There are too many past instances to list them all, but here are two:
1) many of the Fox stations (FX, RSNs, etc.) we're off the air for a month during a recent dispute. (coming up on two years ago I believe).
2) Dish dumped MSG in NY because they were demanding that Dish carry Fuse if it wanted the RSN. That one has yet to return.
That is Dish's MO in these situations, so you saying that it's all about the court case and has nothing to do with carriage money is just plain wrong. If there was no court case and Dish had an issue was the price increase (or the demand that Dish carry WE, Sundance, and IFC if it wants AMC), Dish wouldn't have any problem pulling channels to gain negotiating leverage.
I'm sure the current legal situation is influencing things during this carriage negotiation, but it's a mistake to attribute the entirety of the problem to the court case.
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demsd said:
Since you've asked others for proof to back up their contentions, I'd like you to do the same. And unless you're either psychic or somehow privy to the decision making high up the Dish food chain, you're simply not going to be able to do it. You might have no doubt in your mind, but the reality is that it's just your opinion.
Your opinion might be right; but given Dish's track record in these sorts of negotiations, it's pretty safe to say that the court case is not the sole cause of this potential dispute.
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How about a deal where Dish pays a reduced rate and just shows them on Sunday nights. Is there anybody out there that cares about the channel other than 1 or 2 hrs a weekend? Now that Mad Men and Killing are done, I lost track of Breaking Bad in season 2, so I'm good until October when the Dead come back.
Why would AMC ever agree to give away their most popular shows at a reduced rate? If they did that every provider would want that deal. They would be giving away their most popular shows with little to no advertising money for the rest of the week and making much less than they are today. There is no way they would agree to take a pay cut at the same time as their shows are increasing in popularity. That just isn't realistic at all. If anything Dish would probably have to pay more for the right to only show AMC on Sunday nights to make up for the lost advertising revenue.
There was another blurb I read somewhere yesterday that several major cablecos and DBS companies were considering dropping Nick. Why? Because ratings are down over 30 percent and viewership doesn't justify what Nick wants everyone to pay. The complaint is that since Nick made their programming available on Netflix, the numbers have cratered.
Analyst: Nickelodeon Might Be in Danger of Being Dropped by Some TV Distributors - The Hollywood Reporter
Netflix argument sound familiar??
Netflix argument sound familiar??
ReallY? Name those networks that DISH dropped over carriage fee disputes that were also suing DISH.
I already have.
Let's see Nick's programming is dominated by one show (Sponge Bob) and it's ratings have been going down. AMC is putting out a totally different product then it had a few years ago and it's ratings have gone up. What does Netflix have to do with either one?
