You two remember what happened to the sheriff when he went into the swamp to get Amos Moses, dontcha? Well I ain't THAT far from Thibodeaux, Louisiana.
Just sayin'.
ROFLOL!
I mean a good belly laugh!!
stogie5150's Birdview install
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ROFLOL!
I mean a good belly laugh!!
Looking good, stogie. I know a guy that is going to be doing this same deal pretty soon (I hope ), so be sure and post your details and pics.
Lots of details and pics!
), so be sure and post your details and pics.Lots of details and pics!
You two remember what happened to the sheriff when he went into the swamp to get Amos Moses, dontcha? Well I ain't THAT far from Thibodeaux, Louisiana.
Just sayin'.
You sayin you can eat up yer weight in groceries Stogie?
I miss Jerry...
You sayin you can eat up yer weight in groceries Stogie?
I miss Jerry...
My Dad usta say he'd rather clothe than feed me....LOL
I listen to Jerry Reed all the time on my Zune while I am messing with the dishes....the dude could flat pick a guitar. He was VERY underrated. I was fortunate enough to see him in 2000 on the Biloxi Gulf Coast at a casino...he could still pick.
My Dad usta say he'd rather clothe than feed me....LOL
I listen to Jerry Reed all the time on my Zune while I am messing with the dishes....the dude could flat pick a guitar. He was VERY underrated. I was fortunate enough to see him in 2000 on the Biloxi Gulf Coast at a casino...he could still pick.
Dare I say he was the greatest picker of all time. Loved watching him & Chet go at it.
I met him while I was still in college. Around 88 or 89 I guess while on a trip to Nashville. Met him in a Waffle House of all places. All I can say, what you saw was what you got. He was just as intense in person...
Well, now I have some cleaning to do....my nephew and I put it up in about 10 minutes....I have one boss with a bolt broken off in it, and one boss with no insert at all.
I have ez-outs though, but it being like it is I don't know if I want to fool with it, if I mess up the helicoil and insert, I don't have the tools to fix that....
I have ez-outs though, but it being like it is I don't know if I want to fool with it, if I mess up the helicoil and insert, I don't have the tools to fix that....
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Well, now I have some cleaning to do....my nephew and I put it up in about 10 minutes....I have one boss with a bolt broken off in it, and one boss with no insert at all.
I have ez-outs though, but it being like it is I don't know if I want to fool with it, if I mess up the helicoil and insert, I don't have the tools to fix that....
Man, watching yours go up is giving me the fever bad.......
I had 2 broken bolts in mine also, the 2 that are furthest to the right on the bottom, is that the same ones you are missing?
I drilled them out (no ez-outs) and was considering going oversize (1/2" instead of 3/8"), but am now leaning towards helicoils, both bosses are still in place in mine, we'll see.
Man, watching yours go up is giving me the fever bad.......
I had 2 broken bolts in mine also, the 2 that are furthest to the right on the bottom, is that the same ones you are missing?
Yep, that's the two. the outboard one is the one that is broken off, there are some threads usable, so I stacked up washers on the bolt until I could snug the dish up against the mount. The second inboard has no boss at all, its just a hole. Having extensive experience with aluminum and helicoils, fixing that is tricky, at best, even if you have the tools. If I had a TIG welder handy I could work something up, but I have no TIG welder handy, so if it works I'll have to leave it like it is. I THINK as long as the dish is tight against the plate it should be okay, someone please correct me if that is not correct.
If I had an idea what the bosses looked like and how they got them in there it would help, but I am sure that knowledge is long gone with the closing of the Birdview factory.
Ah Stogie, you make me proud!!
Thanks. I am gonna try the goo-gone like we talked about on the phone, and a pressure washer, to try get the stain off the dish, that grit and nasty stains on there is driving me nuts. I have some of that Super Clean stuff, but it is caustic on aluminum so I am very hesitant to use that, but I will if I have to...that brown stain just HAS to go.
I'm anxious to hear how that new style scaler works as far as signal.
I've only seen them in pictures. Never in person.
It's a shame there aren't more "conversion" parts for Birdviews laying around somewhere.
I've only seen them in pictures. Never in person.
It's a shame there aren't more "conversion" parts for Birdviews laying around somewhere.
Is the hole in the dish smaller than the external boss diameter?
I thought that the bosses may have a shoulder, and possibly a fine "spline" (like an automotive lug bolt that you drive into an axle or hub), and they are a press/drive fit.
I assume the bosses were installed before the "ring" that they are installed into was installed onto the main dish, so they may have some sort of spot weld also?
I had also considered using some kind of expansion anchor if all else failed, and I had to have something to make it work.
You are likely correct that as long as the plate is flat you can do without a bolt or 2.
I thought that the bosses may have a shoulder, and possibly a fine "spline" (like an automotive lug bolt that you drive into an axle or hub), and they are a press/drive fit.
I assume the bosses were installed before the "ring" that they are installed into was installed onto the main dish, so they may have some sort of spot weld also?
I had also considered using some kind of expansion anchor if all else failed, and I had to have something to make it work.
You are likely correct that as long as the plate is flat you can do without a bolt or 2.
On the Perfed dish where you can see the the inside of where those bolts come through the backing plate. Two of mine were broken off, and when we tried to drill them out, the "boss" came loose.
The "Boss" turned out to be simply a square nut on the inside that was tack welded to the backing plate. The actual pressure of the bolt holds them in place. The tack is just a holder.
My welder simply welded a piece of all-thread to the backing plate in the hole and those two bolts are now studs sticking out with nuts on them instead of bolts going into the hole.
The welder welded mine with a mig and flux-cored steel wire. There is no reason why they held, but did, and still are.
The "Boss" turned out to be simply a square nut on the inside that was tack welded to the backing plate. The actual pressure of the bolt holds them in place. The tack is just a holder.
My welder simply welded a piece of all-thread to the backing plate in the hole and those two bolts are now studs sticking out with nuts on them instead of bolts going into the hole.
The welder welded mine with a mig and flux-cored steel wire. There is no reason why they held, but did, and still are.
nuts to ya
Well, since the dish is aluminum...
that washing tub welded on the back side has to be aluminum ...
So, are the nuts aluminum as well?
How else would they be tacked to the wash-tub?
(I'm obviously wrong, so please clue me in)
If I can catch up with my machinist this weekend (may see two of 'em), we'll brainstorm and see if we can come up with a repair technique worthy of the Bird.
I'm thinking about some trick with epoxy, or those internal expanding wall anchors. . .
PS: I'm also looking for good pictures and better description of how to attach a home-made magnet wheel where the pot (or old 8-magnet wheel) mounts to the opposite end of the worm, from the motor.
Still thinking about making up a few kits, if I can understand how to do it.
Well, since the dish is aluminum...
that washing tub welded on the back side has to be aluminum ...
So, are the nuts aluminum as well?
How else would they be tacked to the wash-tub?
(I'm obviously wrong, so please clue me in)
If I can catch up with my machinist this weekend (may see two of 'em), we'll brainstorm and see if we can come up with a repair technique worthy of the Bird.
I'm thinking about some trick with epoxy, or those internal expanding wall anchors. . .
PS: I'm also looking for good pictures and better description of how to attach a home-made magnet wheel where the pot (or old 8-magnet wheel) mounts to the opposite end of the worm, from the motor.
Still thinking about making up a few kits, if I can understand how to do it.
The solid dishes must have been done differently, unless that "square nut" on the perf dish had a round steel threaded "tube" coming off the top of it, through the back of the "tub" (as Anole very well named it
).There is definitely a round steel boss that the bolts thread into, on my solid dish.
Wall anchors were the first thing I thought of, Anole. Problem is finding one stout enough. The wash-tub isn't very thick, perhaps .050 or so, MAYBE .090 at the most. So any type of big time pressure is gonna buckle that thin stock its made of. A screw in type of thing would work, but,like I said, its SO thin, there isn't much to hold onto. And mine is aluminum, also, as phlatwound said above. I thought about a nut plate of some kind, drill the hole bigger, and put the nut plate THROUGH the hole and rivet or screw the nut plate in place INSIDE the wash tub, with two screws/rivets, thus allowing a bolt to be installed. I am going to visit relatives tomorrow so I won't be around but Saturday I will take some closeups for y'all to look at. Right now a wall anchor would be a quick and dirty solution. I don't know how permanent or secure that would be.
My dish has a kit installed between the motor and the worm, but I will take some pics for you to show you what they did, if you need them.
stogie, the anchors I was thinking about are actually for masonry/concrete. There are 2 common types, wedge and sleeve. Wedge are used more for solid concrete, sleeve are typically used in concrete block, and would be more likely to work in your application....they are much stouter than "wall anchors" (if you are talking about sheet rock anchors).
Someone told me that there is an expansion-type anchor specifically for use in metal, but I have never actually seen one.
I am also going to send some pic/measurements of my 8-magnet wheel setup to Anole, and see what he can dream up, should be interesting!
Someone told me that there is an expansion-type anchor specifically for use in metal, but I have never actually seen one.
I am also going to send some pic/measurements of my 8-magnet wheel setup to Anole, and see what he can dream up, should be interesting!
Yes. Its actually 8.5 foot. Thanks for the kudos. Do a search and you will find out a LOT about the Birdview dish. Linuxman is the KING of these things, and he is tutoring us young grasshoppers on the ways of the Birdview.
stogie, the anchors I was thinking about are actually for masonry/concrete. There are 2 common types, wedge and sleeve. Wedge are used more for solid concrete, sleeve are typically used in concrete block, and would be more likely to work in your application....they are much stouter than "wall anchors" (if you are talking about sheet rock anchors).
Someone told me that there is an expansion-type anchor specifically for use in metal, but I have never actually seen one.
I am also going to send some pic/measurements of my 8-magnet wheel setup to Anole, and see what he can dream up, should be interesting!
Sleeve anchor might work. Wedge won't, I don't think.
First pic is sleeve anchor, second is wedge, for illustration.
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