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In response to a lawsuit by New Jersey, the Supreme Court has removed the federal ban on most States having sports gambling.

Supreme Court ruling allows states to legalize, regulate sports betting
The United States Supreme Court overturned the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act (PASPA) Monday, striking the law that prevented states from drafting their own regulations for local sports betting. The ruling will allow legal sportsbooks to begin operations throughout the country; it had previously only been allowed in grandfathered-in states Nevada, Oregon, Delaware, and Montana.

Murphy v. NCAA was a legal battle between the state of New Jersey and America’s major sports leagues. New Jersey argued legalization of sports gambling would allow the state to capture a new and significant stream of revenue from a practice already rampant in underground operations. The NCAA and its colleagues countered that the state’s legislation was a violation of PASPA — an argument that held up in federal court and twice on appeal before being heard by the Supreme Court on December 4, 2017. In the end, a 7-2 majority sided with state authority to legalize sports betting on a case-by-case basis.

In its ruling, the Court decided that PASPA’s provision prohibiting state authorization of sports gambling schemes violates the anti-commandeering rule. Furthermore, PASPA’s provision prohibiting state “licens[ing]” of sports gambling schemes also violates the anti-commandeering rule. In Justice Samuel Alito’s opinion, the Court ruled that, “Congress can be allowed to regulate sports gambling directly, but if it elects not to do so, each State is free to act on its own.”

In short, without federal oversight, the rules governing sportsbooks fall to state legislations.
 
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Limiting my comments to how this affects TV and other media:

- Thoughtful discussion of sports (not the idiot tout service infomercials) such as is presented on SXM radio's VSIN channel will become regular aspects of sports broadcasting.

- The leagues are chirping about an "integrity fee" which is what they call a skim off the action. Americans, from stadium subsidies to high TV provider bills, already pay for sports in a dozen ways. Nevada is going to tell the leagues to pound sand. Every state should do likewise.
 
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I read today where the state of Mississippi will have sports betting up and running by July. I would imagine a few other states, with legalized gambling will be quick too.

At this point there is so many questions and how will this be done and keep integrity of the games first and utmost? Will it be allowed at stadiums or arena's? What about those in states that do not legalize gambling? What about college sports and on campuses?

For states, revenue temptation is strong, so how do they go about implementing this and how strong will rules be of who can take bets? How big of a bureaucracy will this create at federal and state levels?
 

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I read today where the state of Mississippi will have sports betting up and running by July. I would imagine a few other states, with legalized gambling will be quick too.

This does not surprise me. As soon as I heard it, I knew it would be fast.
 

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I read today where the state of Mississippi will have sports betting up and running by July. I would imagine a few other states, with legalized gambling will be quick too.

New Jersey will be up and running on Memorial Day. West Virginia will be by football season.

At this point there is so many questions and how will this be done and keep integrity of the games first and utmost?

The idea that someone in the four major US sports would risk it is just nor realistic. These people make way too much money.

The issue is colleges, and lesser followed sports. And legalization is the best integrity tool there is. In Nevada sophisticated computers look for outside the margins betting on obscure games. You cannot do that off-shore or with the mob.

Will it be allowed at stadiums or arena's?

Each state will make up its own laws. New Jersey and West Virginia want to limit it to their casinos, as a way to boost tourism. But, IMHO, eventually there will be states that allow it via c-store lottery terminals (the software to allow that exists) computers and/or apps.

The big thing, and it is new even in LV, is what is called "in-game propositions", which work best in baseball and football. Where you bet, say, the next play will be a run play. This will happen.

What about those in states that do not legalize gambling?

They will miss out on a new source of revenue. In my lifetime I have seen the movement of casinos from just Nevada to 35 states, and the lottery from zero states to 46. Same thing will happen. It will take 10 or so years, but the same thing will happen.
What about college sports and on campuses?

As to regular students, who cares, as long as they are 18 or 21 or whatever the state sets as the age.

As to the NCAA, they already repealed the ban on NCAA tournaments in Nevada, and Las Vegas wants to be the permanent home of the women's final four, and get in the men's rotation.

I bet (no pun intended) you see an ad for Red Mile Casino sports book on the Rupp scoreboard before Cal retires.

how strong will rules be of who can take bets?

State lottery and casino authorities will run things, it is not like some guy can make book in his garage.
 

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At this point there is so many questions and how will this be done and keep integrity of the games first and utmost?
No different than it is now. We've always been able to gamble on pro & college games, just had to go to Nevada to do it
Will it be allowed at stadiums or arena's? What about those in states that do not legalize gambling? What about college sports and on campuses?
No different than it is now. We've always been able to gamble on pro & college games, just had to go to Nevada to do it.

As for gambling in the stadiums. Probably a big fat no for college, as I don't see the NCAA ever allowing that.

As for the Pro's, depends on that State's laws, and whether the leagues choose to allow it.
 

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No different than it is now. We've always been able to gamble on pro & college games, just had to go to Nevada to do it
No different than it is now. We've always been able to gamble on pro & college games, just had to go to Nevada to do it.

As for gambling in the stadiums. Probably a big fat no for college, as I don't see the NCAA ever allowing that.

As for the Pro's, depends on that State's laws, and whether the leagues choose to allow it.

But it is different. When you expand something that much, gambling in this case, you naturally open the doors to more scams, illegal activity, etc.

How will the NCAA be able to stop that? Again, gambling on campuses or stadiums is a question but will the NCAA, many which are state schools, deny that source of revenue or fight against that? You will have states and others push this is a way to INVEST in education, just like lottery's. Again it will come down to.....

Money does talk, especially, to the insatiable appetite for revenue from governments.

Far as legues or college campuses allowing this, hard to know because I think we have NO WAY of knowing what % would enjoy wagering on a game. Let's say that is 25% and those people stop going to games and instead go to casino's, or wherever, to bet and WATCH, because the leagues don't allow wagering at the games, that will impact revenue for that team and/or league plus revenue for that stadium.

My point is there is a LOT of unknowns and going forward and the rules put into place by states, colleges, leagues etc. will be interesting to watch. After all, the bottom line WILL BE ABOUT MONEY.
 

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How will the NCAA be able to stop that? Again, gambling on campuses or stadiums is a question but will the NCAA, many which are state schools, deny that source of revenue or fight against that? You will have states and others push this is a way to INVEST in education, just like lottery's. Again it will come down to.....
The State doesn't even allow us to have alcohol sales in campus stadiums, no way they'd allow gambling.

I don't see any State allowing on campus gambling. Instead they'll keep it to the already established casinos they have. Typically the heavy sports gamblers don't go to the games anyway.
 

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The State doesn't even allow us to have alcohol sales in campus stadiums, no way they'd allow gambling.

I don't see any State allowing on campus gambling. Instead they'll keep it to the already established casinos they have. Typically the heavy sports gamblers don't go to the games anyway.

I think you might be right but I also know lawsuits will be filed and that is ALWAYS the wildcard. So, I am not convinced it will be clear cut or easy to prevent that.
 

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I think you might be right but I also know lawsuits will be filed and that is ALWAYS the wildcard.
Lawsuits against who? If the State decides to allow sports gambling, nothing the leagues can do about it, with the exception of preventing them from using licensed logo's.
 
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Lawsuits against who? If the State decides to allow sports gambling, nothing the leagues can do about it, with the exception of preventing them from using licensed logo's.

If the states decide to allow gambling but it is not allowed on college campuses, which a majority are state schools, they will be sued by someone. Whether there is a standing or whatever, I guess that would depend on who is suing who.
 

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If the states decide to allow gambling but it is not allowed on college campuses, which a majority are state schools, they will be sued by someone. Whether there is a standing or whatever, I guess that would depend on who is suing who.
States have sovereign immunity, so exactly who's going to be able to sue them?

And since public schools are owned by the States, they're not going to sue themselves just because they don't allow gambling. States have always had the authority to specify where people can and can not gamble.

Does Nevada/UNLV allow gambling at Sam Boyd Stadium?
 

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States have sovereign immunity, so exactly who's going to be able to sue them?

And since public schools are owned by the States, they're not going to sue themselves just because they don't allow gambling. States have always had the authority to specify where people can and can not gamble.

Does Nevada/UNLV allow gambling at Sam Boyd Stadium?

Good points, one and all, but the same was thought of the feds outlawing sports gambling too. As I said, whether someone has standing, I guess that would depend.

I don't know if they allow gambling at Sam Boyd Stadium or at UNLV. Almost everywhere I went in Vegas, they had slot machines though. Do they have them at places like that? I don't know. Just because someone sues does not mean they will win or a suit is allowed to go forward.

But, crap happens. Free Agency in baseball (because of the reserve clause) was thought to be an impossible thing, but what happened and how did it happen?
 

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There is not gambling allowed in Nevada at the venues where the sports involved is being played, including UNLV's Sam Boyd Stadium (which is a certified dump).

In the new system, every state will be perfectly free to make up its own rules. There is no basis for a lawsuit if a state tries to limit gambling in any reasonable way. You have no particular right to gamble.
 
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Looks like New Jersey is wasting no time in allowing sports betting. NFL should have took NJ's offer for kickbacks before fighting this, now they'll be getting nothing.

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