TNAP 6 for Edision: Yes or No?

[cyberham]

Short answer is Yes! I now have image slots on my Edision Mio+ filled with two TNAP 5.1 and one TNAP 6 image. I am slowly migrating over to TNAP 6 but I keep TNAP 5.1 ready to use at any time just requiring a quick reboot of the Mio+. One of the reasons I still use TNAP 5.1 is because I haven't yet blind scanned all satellites for TNAP 6.

Some reasons I like TNAP 6:

• Supports Tuner C on my Mio+ to use for the Hauppauge 950Q USB dongle for OTA. My most current version of TNAP 5.1 does not support this dongle. This is a known problem on more recent versions of TNAP 5.1 that won't be resolved.
• Has a driver selector plugin so I can switch easily between no-T2MI, T2MI, and T2MI with low SR transponder support drivers. This is important so you can improve blind scan speed and accuracy.
• Youtube videos play.
• Has a plugin that easily and automatically creates IPTV bouquets matching any genre, country source, language you choose. If you have a fast Internet connection, IPTV arguably provides better/more entertainment than satellite these days. It all depends on your viewing preference and habits.
• Has a plugin that supports creating a Pluto TV bouquet.
• Comes preloaded with ALL satellites in the world with their transponders already configured. You can, of course, update the satellite and transponder lists as you wish. Actually, some satellites may be missing but most satellites across Europe, Asia and North America are included. Mood Music channels on 101W Ku are included too.
• The image is fairly stable now.
• Blind scan can be fast and accurate! If I use the no-T2MI driver with the MIS tp switch at OFF, then blind scan speed rivals my formerly-preferred GT Media V9 Prime. The different drivers can give dramatically different results so you need to use the driver that suits what you're doing.
• You can easily copy an entire scanned-in-satellite with all channels over to User bouquets in one action. It's so easy and quick that this is how I create new User bouquets. I copy the entire satellite's list of channels and just delete the channels I don't want in the bouquet.
• TNAP 5.1 is finished in the sense of support. TNAP 6 is now the only TNAP version being supported.
• The TNAP 6 support site (legitfta.com) is now updated and stable.

TNAP 6 is like a Sony TV. After you obtain it, then you start to discover its good engineering and features that you may not have been aware of before obtaining it.

 

[byron]

Well, you've convinced me to give up a slot and try it at least. Thanks for the post.

 

[cyberham]

Well, you've convinced me to give up a slot and try it at least. Thanks for the post.

It's worth a slot. It'll keep you off the streets at night.

 

[ZetaMale]

Isn't it still in Beta?

 

[cyberham]

Probably. But what's in a name? If it benefits me then I'll use it.

 

[Brct203]

I was not aware of the plugin that allows easy swap of the driver - that's a game changer as the only reason I was staying with 5.1 was the low bitrate driver.

Thanks Cyberham for pointing it out!

 

[cyberham]

... I was staying with 5.1 was the low bitrate driver.

Unfortunately, when I used the T2MI Module with Small Symbol Rates driver the results were terrible on a blind scan of 117W C. That driver produced only 26 tps. I only ran this test one time. But the No-T2MI Kernel Module produced 55 tps. I ran this again today and I believe I got 57 tps. So I'm sticking with the latter driver. A good scientific test suite using these different drivers in different situations might be up your alley.

 

[Brct203]

Unfortunately, when I used the T2MI Module with Small Symbol Rates driver the results were terrible on a blind scan of 117W C. That driver produced only 26 tps. I only ran this test one time. But the No-T2MI Kernel Module produced 55 tps. I ran this again today and I believe I got 57 tps. So I'm sticking with the latter driver. A good scientific test suite using these different drivers in different situations might be up your alley.

hahaha you know me well! Yes I shall run some tests... I think 117W is indeed an interesting test subject. 40.5W is also an interesting one, as it has some T2MI transponders, but it's overall a bit weak, so results do vary because some TPs are just around locking threshold

 

[norman881]

Short answer is Yes! I now have image slots on my Edision Mio+ filled with two TNAP 5.1 and one TNAP 6 image. I am slowly migrating over to TNAP 6 but I keep TNAP 5.1 ready to use at any time just requiring a quick reboot of the Mio+. One of the reasons I still use TNAP 5.1 is because I haven't yet blind scanned all satellites for TNAP 6.

Some reasons I like TNAP 6:

• Supports Tuner C on my Mio+ to use for the Hauppauge 950Q USB dongle for OTA. My most current version of TNAP 5.1 does not support this dongle. This is a known problem on more recent versions of TNAP 5.1 that won't be resolved.
• Has a driver selector plugin so I can switch easily between no-T2MI, T2MI, and T2MI with low SR transponder support drivers. This is important so you can improve blind scan speed and accuracy.
• Youtube videos play.
• Has a plugin that easily and automatically creates IPTV bouquets matching any genre, country source, language you choose. If you have a fast Internet connection, IPTV arguably provides better/more entertainment than satellite these days. It all depends on your viewing preference and habits.
• Has a plugin that supports creating a Pluto TV bouquet.
• Comes preloaded with ALL satellites in the world with their transponders already configured. You can, of course, update the satellite and transponder lists as you wish. Actually, some satellites may be missing but most satellites across Europe, Asia and North America are included. Mood Music channels on 101W Ku are included too.
• The image is fairly stable now.
• Blind scan can be fast and accurate! If I use the no-T2MI driver with the MIS tp switch at OFF, then blind scan speed rivals my formerly-preferred GT Media V9 Prime. The different drivers can give dramatically different results so you need to use the driver that suits what you're doing.
• You can easily copy an entire scanned-in-satellite with all channels over to User bouquets in one action. It's so easy and quick that this is how I create new User bouquets. I copy the entire satellite's list of channels and just delete the channels I don't want in the bouquet.
• TNAP 5.1 is finished in the sense of support. TNAP 6 is now the only TNAP version being supported.
• The TNAP 6 support site (legitfta.com) is now updated and stable.

TNAP 6 is like a Sony TV. After you obtain it, then you start to discover its good engineering and features that you may not have been aware of before obtaining it.

How do I enable neutrino mode?

 

[cyberham]

How do I enable neutrino mode?

GT Media is likely claiming this feature now. For enigma2, perhaps in TNAP 7?

 

[Jim S.]

How do I enable neutrino mode?

If you're talking about legacy-style (or as I like to call it, sane) channel navigation with the arrow keys, Menu>Setup>System>GUI Settings>User interface. There are two entries there, "Enable 'neutrino' style zap controlling" and "Enable 'neutrino' style channel select controlling" I have no idea what the difference is, because I only remember one of them being there the last time I looked, and I thought "zap" was Enigma-speak for changing channels...

DISCLAIMER: I'm not using the default skin, and I don't know if entries in this menu can be varied by the skin.

 

[norman881]

If you're talking about legacy-style (or as I like to call it, sane) channel navigation with the arrow keys, Menu>Setup>System>GUI Settings>User interface. There are two entries there, "Enable 'neutrino' style zap controlling" and "Enable 'neutrino' style channel select controlling" I have no idea what the difference is, because I only remember one of them being there the last time I looked, and I thought "zap" was Enigma-speak for changing channels...

DISCLAIMER: I'm not using the default skin, and I don't know if entries in this menu can be varied by the skin.

I treied all 8 GUI skins and did not see the neutrino choice. Which skin are you using? Thanks for the response. (and you too cyberham)

 

[Jim S.]

I treied all 8 GUI skins and did not see the neutrino choice. Which skin are you using? Thanks for the response. (and you too cyberham)

I'm using one called Copper-FHD, which is not in the TNAP repository. I don't remember where I downloaded it a few years ago.

Maybe we should ask El Bandido on the official TNAP forum? I seem to remember that Neutrino-style controls were the default in TNAP 5.x and below, I'm not sure why it would've changed.

 

[cyberham]

Guys, thanks for enlightening me. I thought norman881 was joking in Post #9. I've not heard the term 'neutrino' other than the scientific particles.

I am using the PLi-FullNightHD skin. I find if I switch ON the 'Enable neutrino style channel select controlling' that my remote control functions like in TNAP 5.1 and earlier. I like it this way and will leave it.

I had started to adapt to TNAP 6 and was getting used to the new remote control functions. But why change if we can have what we're used to?

Added: I also switched ON 'Enable neutrino style zap controlling' to make it like TNAP 5.1.

 

[Brct203]

I treied all 8 GUI skins and did not see the neutrino choice. Which skin are you using? Thanks for the response. (and you too cyberham)

I'm finding it exactly where Jim said it was, in TNAP 6 using the GlamourAuraFHD skin

items # 6 and 7 in the list of settings

 

[Brct203]

Unfortunately, when I used the T2MI Module with Small Symbol Rates driver the results were terrible on a blind scan of 117W C. That driver produced only 26 tps. I only ran this test one time. But the No-T2MI Kernel Module produced 55 tps. I ran this again today and I believe I got 57 tps. So I'm sticking with the latter driver. A good scientific test suite using these different drivers in different situations might be up your alley.

Well I can confirm what you said... Take a look at the attached reports. Note that the duration indicated is for the blind scan part only, and does not include the service scan part The results are a bit inconsistant but still some hints:

on 117W, great results with TNAP6 using the regular non-T2MI driver, but that means no low SR transponders. The blindscan was fast and got most or all transponders. However switching to any of the other drivers gave very degraded results, missing many transponders without even finding the lower SR ones

TNAP 5.1 did MUCH better, with acceptable blind scan times with any of the drivers, and those supposed to work for low SR did find them (non-T2MI still the fastest)

Now on SES6@40.5W, the results for TNAP6 were acceptable with the T2MI , non-T2MI and the 700 MHz driver, but very slow with the Low SR driver. They were quite similar with TNAP 5.1. Why that low SR driver was so slow is a bit of a mystery to me, since the 700 MHz is also low SR and did much better (albeit slower than the non-T2MI). There are several T2MI transponders on that satellite but only one of them (Trece, Trece+ on 4000MHz) is strong enough for reliable reception on my dish (because of the sidecar LNBF for circular). It was detected by all drivers including the non-T2MI one, but of course only the T2MI drivers could actually scan in the services.

Now to be clear, I get overall mediocre reception of 40.5W, so blind scans always yield disparate results, since many TPs are near the threshold. As for 117W, I get a bit of 5G interferences in that direction, and that might have some influence on the channel count, but still we can see a clear pattern

Other than that, TNAP 6 works perfectly with my Hauppauge 950Q ATSC dongle, and seems very stable

 

[Jim S.]

Neutrino is another interface that, like Enigma, runs on top of a full-blown Linux system, but appears more like a simpler STB interface. If I remember rightly, some variation of it shipped with the AZbox.

I actually found several open-source Neutrino projects that claimed that you could build them for the Edision, and since my PC is fast and capacious, I tried it. (You have to install a full set of compiler tools for a different CPU architecture, then build the entire Linux OS as well as Neutrino itself.) However, installing the resulting image in a multi-boot slot resulted in a hung box. I suspect that you have to flash the image as a raw disk image, wiping out the Enigma multi-boot capability, which I'm not willing to risk.

 

[Jim S.]

on 117W, great results with TNAP6 using the regular non-T2MI driver, but that means no low SR transponders. The blindscan was fast and got most or all transponders. However switching to any of the other drivers gave very degraded results, missing many transponders without even finding the lower SR ones

I concur with what you said about the blindscan only being accurate with the non-T2MI driver. In addition, unless it's changed from TNAP 5.1, the non-T2MI driver is the only one that doesn't randomly shut off the LNB power after a blind scan, or when coming out of standby. Nobody seems interested in fixing this for some reason. (To be clear, I'm not blaming El Bandido -- I found people reporting the same thing on a European OpenPLI forum.)

Strangely, I seem to recall that with 5.1, it was the T2MI driver, not the non-, that was more accurate in blind scan -- although maybe not as dramatic a difference as in 6. (I should mention however that a lot of my tests took place on 99W Ku, which some days just seems impossible to scan accurately for some reason, and on 87W Ku, where Louisiana PBS just seems to disappear at random, so they may not be accurate...)

 

[norman881]

I'm finding it exactly where Jim said it was, in TNAP 6 using the GlamourAuraFHD skin

items # 6 and 7 in the list of settings

Problem solved. I did not see the neutrino option settings until after I did a factory reset and a clean install. Thank you all very much!