Why I need a receiver with 4:2:2

[turbosat]

They may have blu-ray quality , but it didn't help them in the ratings last week , #5! even Univision beat 'em.

 

[Xizer]

We're using American television ratings as a metric of quality programming now? Really?

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[TD]4035[/TD]
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[TD]Big Bang Theory, THE[/TD]
[TD]TBSC[/TD]
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[TD]10:00P-10:30P[/TD]
[TD]3976[/TD]
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[TD]SpongeBob[/TD]
[TD]NICK[/TD]
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[TD]10:00A-10:30A[/TD]
[TD]3908[/TD]
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[TD]Phineas and Ferb[/TD]
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[TD]3765[/TD]
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[TD]SpongeBob[/TD]
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[Anole]

As entertaining & enjoyable as this turn to the conversation is, let me remind:

[h=1]Thread: Why I need a receiver with 4:2:2[/h]

 

[turbosat]

LOL hilarious!
Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...

 

[Soniconyourroof]

I enjoy my AZ box. but rarely watch 4:2:2 feeds

 

[Bob2011]

Does anyone have a ballpark number of what it would cost to add 4:2:2 to a new receiver? So lets say a box costs $40 to make, is it another $10? Is there some other obstacle like up front engineering costs in the tens of thousands of dollars?

Maybe the problem is that all of these boxes are made in SE Asia in a small group of factories with limited chipset choices.

 

[Anole]

Not to be rude, but did you read this thread?
Brian of SatelliteAV has pretty much laid out most of the price considerations.

 

[Bob2011]

Not to be rude, but did you read this thread?
Brian of SatelliteAV has pretty much laid out most of the price considerations.

With respect, I read the entire thread and all that was talked about was assumptions of the hobbyist market and demand for 4:2:2. People seem to think that every buyer makes a choice based on themselves using or needing 100% of all features in a product. If that was the case only a few thousand trucks would have off road capabilities and most PCs would have limited or no upgrade potential. Anyone who has ever made a complex product for the retail market knows that the vast majority of buyers will never use a product to its full potential. Often people buy the product with the most features because they reason there may be a chance at sometime they may need it. Marketers know this and exploit it.

So lets say you could add 4:2:2 to all of your receivers for a reasonable cost and accept the fact that most of your customers would never use it. With the correct marketing there are going to be customers who choose your product because you have it and the others don't. The reality might be that the customer may never watch anything other than international channels on 97w . It doesn't matter because they are using your product instead of your competitor's and you snared them with a little used feature.

 

[Mr Tony]

this is one of the numerous threads Brian mentioned about 4:2:2 and why the Geosat's wont have it
http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/303998-Next-Generation-GEOSATpro-Satellite-receiver

 

[Keith Brannen]

Brian mentioned that it would be an additional $20, but he didn't mention whether that would mean a different chipset (for example, Sigma, which the AZBoxes use, instead of an Ali) or an add-on board. Also there may be other considerations (structural, etc.) that may add to that cost.

 

[madmadworld]

Brian mentioned that it would be an additional $20, .

that's the butt kicker $20.....
we are paying $150 - $275 more for a $20...mod
if we get lucky in the future the chips get cheaper say $10... maybe we get ..or not

 

[Anole]

Yes, but it's not like bolting on a turbocharger.

More like making a hybrid (gas & electric).
All kinds of things have to change to accommodate the electric drive:
...the gas engine, transmission, brake system, aerodynamics, low rolling resistance tires, chassis so you have a place for the battery pack, etc.

 

[madmadworld]

Yes, but it's not like bolting on a turbocharger.

More like making a hybrid (gas & electric).
All kinds of things have to change to accommodate the electric drive:
...the gas engine, transmission, brake system, aerodynamics, low rolling resistance tires, chassis so you have a place for the battery pack, etc.

yet it's $20 each
maybe a Chinese guy will read this thread and figure out how to do it for $2

 

[Bob2011]

yet it's $20 each
maybe a Chinese guy will read this thread and figure out how to do it for $2

For Brian it might be $20 because of all the boxes he imports for the religious market but for the little guys who import a few hundred boxes it might be $50.

It could be zero if you invest up front to design your own chipset and not rely on some guy in China to tweak something already out there. I'm sure there are many people who have thought about doing this to create the ultimate FTA box but there must be huge financial barriers to have nothing come to market.

 

[toucan-man]

Brian was working on a receiver with 4:2:2 capabilities at the beginning of 2010.

"We are performing firmware testing on a S/S2/QPSK/8QPSK/4:2:2 receiver and want to make sure that all known transponder issues are addressed..." "...The receiver development has met the project requirements and we are now developing the hobbyist features!"

I don't recall what became of that one.

 

[Mr Tony]

it was dropped because of issues with the 4:2:2 chip

 

[Xizer]

Why doesn't anyone just make a receiver with an optional 4:2:2 USB add-on chip or something?

 

[pro96]

Why doesn't anyone just make a receiver with an optional 4:2:2 USB add-on chip or something?

That would be something but the folks won't do it


Ipad 4 + SatelliteGuys Reader App!

 

[skysurfer]

Why doesn't anyone just make a receiver with an optional 4:2:2 USB add-on chip or something?

might as well just make a PC in a smaller box (PCI tuner card, linux processor, 4:2:0 and 4:2:2 decoding codecs and video card outputing HDMI, composite etc, but then again that probably is what the AZBOX already is.

4:2:2 probably becoming less relevant - one longtime 24/7 broadcaster on the U.S. sats that was using 4:2:2 SD has dropped it to 4:2:0 SD in the last month and I would guess it's because 4:2:0 gear is dirt cheap now for advising their new affiliate to buy or for purchasing it for their new affiliate.

 

[remlap]

H.264 4:2:2 is in use here in Europe on an increasingly wider scale it would be nice to see a receiver with this built in but I am happy continuing to use a PCIe card as I have done for good few years now.