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  1. spencer7779

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    I guess these are offshoots of Viva live TV. My concern about the legality is having NY/NI locals and 7 day rewind on all content with the ability to FF

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    I have been told (but unconfirmed) that its not legit.

    The other giveaway is no sports blackouts.
     
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    In the terms it says subject to sports blackouts.
     
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    They have removed the wording that I saw saying, no sports blackouts.

    It use to say...

    They have also updated the amount of streams you can have at one time.

    Might be legal, who knows. Things move fast nowadays. :)
     
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    Although... they don't carry locals... but do carry one ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX etc for the entire country.

    Not sure if its legal to carry locals like that.
     
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    Yes, and is recording everything on a 27 TB Server, thus giving the user 7 day complete rewind. Going to 30days when he gets more equipment. With services like Vue, Sling and You tube forcing on demand that concerns me.
     
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    Indeed, in fact some of the same services you can not DVR or rewind on service like Sling TV.

    That also seems odd.
     
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    They could (assuming they negotiated it with the networks and all of their affiliates), but it would have to be a West Coast market just as DBS DNS must be time zone appropriate.

    I'd stick with your initial inclination that this is a quick money grab that will be shut down in due course.
     
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    SkyStream TV Takes on Sling TV & DIRECTV NOW By Offering 65 Channels for $35 With a DVR & Five Streams - Cord Cutters News

    I know it is cord cutters...but:


    I still lean towards not legit. For now.
     
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    Contracts are confidential. They are not allowed to just show contracts to anyone who requests one.
     
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    Can’t find the app on AFTV or Roku.
     
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    What's fishy to me is how little fanfare there is around this launch. Wouldn't having legit licensing deals in place with dozens of content providers cost in the millions, if not tens of millions, of dollars? (especially with unrestricted DVR functions). If you Google this service, the only thing that comes up is the Cord Cutters News article and articles on the provider's own blog (and places to download the app). If you were to spend so much to set up a service of this nature, wouldn't you have a better PR/marketing campaign in place to announce the launch. Even a "soft launch" wouldn't receive this small amount of coverage in the online media, which seems eager to post anything related to cord cutting these days, given how clickbait-worthy such articles can be. I know self-publishing authors who will put more effort into promoting a $10 eBook on the best hiking trails in the county. Either these licensing deals aren't legit or this owner is the worst businessman in the industry. Either way this service won't be around long.
     
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    Just the fact they are offering NY locals nationwide is all I need to know about how legit the service is. There is no way ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX would sign off on that. Affiliates would be fighting that tooth and nail not to mention the NFL.

    Advertising no sports blackouts is another sign, ESPN does not have many blackouts but they do have some, no way they would agree to that.
     
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    From their site:

    Other streaming services have some sports blackouts, Does SkyStream TV have any blackouts?
    (Tue, 17 Jul, 2018)

    Our contract with the channels we offer ensures that there are no sports blackouts period!


    There is zero chance Disney or Turner signed a contract with them saying they did not have to blackout the MLB games that require blackouts in market. Absolutely zero. I remember when NPS/SkyVision use to resell HITS on C-Band, they could not offer ESPN because they were unable to setup blackouts. Those networks and leagues are very strict about that.

    Won't even get into bringing out of market NFL games without ordering Sunday Ticket.
     
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    The Roku channel is a private code, guessing Roku is not going to approve such a shady service for the public store. (Another sign something isn't quite right)
     
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    The comments in the CCN article are very informative and entertaining. One guy (Randy Smith) who claims to work as a private contractor to sniff out scammers and fraudulent services for Amazon wrote:

    flags to look for:
    1. Does the website of the business feature original content or is it simply copied from another website. Answer: copied
    2. Is the product or service cheaper than competitors offering the same exact product or service. Answer: yes.
    3. Are there obvious attempts from representatives of the company attempting to influence potential customers with fake reviews or forum posts pretending to be customers? Answer: yes.
    4. Is there anything else suspicious or obviously illegal about this product or service? Answer: yes. Network affiliates are, by law, only allowed to retransmit within their footprint, or native area, and not allowed to retransmit outside that area.
    5. Other notes: SkyStream was previously a distributer of pirated proprietary content commonly found on Kodi boxes.

    These all point toward a high probability that this company is operating fraudulently

    In a separate post: I already contacted the FTC so the ball is in their court. My work is done. Time to grab the popcorn and watch the meltdown.

    Another guy commenting on the same similarities msmith198025 pointed out above added:

    Yesterday I looked at the source code of the site and there were a few references to "huluassets." Looking at the site, it looks lifted from the Hulu Live page.
    And a John Doe pointed to the obvious:

    Their FAQ has a question which asks, “Is This Legal?”

    Doesn’t sound like a question that a legit service would need to answer.


     
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    Do you think Hdhomerun Premium tv will be pulled also, It's the same line up
     
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    I think HDHomerun Premium TV put some effort into getting their product discussed in legit tech media, and from what I can tell from a quick Google search, no one seems to be questioning whether it's legal.
     
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    HDHomerun Premium TV is from a legit company, does not offer out of market locals and did not advertise that they don't have sports blackouts....

    I am surprised Cord Cutters News is promoting and affiliating with them, as poor as that site was editing/research wise I at least considered them to be honest. Hard to believe they think this service is legit, guessing they won't be around much longer either.
     
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