Dish messing with Voom, All are now HD-Lite 1280x1080i: Discuss this issue HERE!

[DWS44]

Hey look...as part of the board upgrade, there is a new smilie just for this thread/subject...it's called "protest"

!protest !protest !protest !protest !protest !protest !protest !protest !protest !protest

Perhaps Scott should rename the smilie "hdlite" instead of "protest"

 

[philhu]

I just watched fail-safe again.

Favorite movie.

It looks horrible at this resolution. Very grainy

Looked fine 2 days ago!

This is on GuyHD

 

[HokieEngineer]

Information about voom 21 at 129:

Satellite @ 129:

Transponder	Channel			Bandwidth (avg)	Resolution	TP Modulation
-----------	-------			---------------	----------	-------------
3		9473 - WorldSportHD	14Mbit/s	1280x1080i	QPSK (30Mbit MAX)
		9475 - Torque		12Mbit/s	?		No room on this TP

6		9472 - GalleryHD	14Mbit/s	1920x1080i	8PSK (42Mbit MAX)
		9476 - RushHD		13Mbit/s	?		No room on this TP
		9480 - MajesticHD	9Mbit/s		1280x1080i

9		9470 - RaveHD		13Mbit/s	1280x1080i	8PSK (42Mbit MAX)
		9479 - GuyTV		10Mbit/s	1280x1080i	No room on this TP
		9482 - HDNews		13Mbit/s	1280x1080i

10		9478 - UltraHD		15Mbit/s	1280x1080i	8PSK (42Mbit MAX)
		9481 - MonsterHD	15Mbit/s	1280x1080i	1 HD slot on this TP

11		9477 - TresureHD	14Mbit/s	1280x1080i	QPSK (30Mbit MAX)
		9485 - KungFu HD	14Mbit/s	?		No room on this TP

12		9471 - EquatorHD	15Mbit/s	1280x1080i	8PSK (42Mbit MAX)
		9474 - AnimationHD	15Mbit/s	?		1 HD slot on this TP

23		9486 - LabHD		14Mbit/s	1280x1080i	QPSK (30Mbit MAX)
		9487 - CodaHD		13Mbit/s	?		No room on this TP

24		9488 - RenewHD		13Mbit/s	1280x1080i	QPSK (30Mbit MAX)
		9489 - World		14Mbit/s	?		No room on this TP

27		9492 - CosmicHD		10Mbit/s	1280x1080i	8PSK (42Mbit MAX)
		9493 - Gameplay		10Mbit/s	?		No room on this TP
		9494 - SizzleHD		10Mbit/s	1920x1080i	Low bitrates ???

 

[BFG]

Hokie there is content on those new channels? That must be how you're getting a rez on them right? are they uniqure or mirrors of exisitng channels? if so what do they mirror

 

[josem3]

Hey guys,

Dishnetwork is performing some testing at this moment. So give them some little time and hope all the VOOM chs will be return at TRUE HD pic.

 

[dfergie]

I just watched fail-safe again.

Favorite movie.

It looks horrible at this resolution. Very grainy

Looked fine 2 days ago!

This is on GuyHD

I saw that...

 

[HokieEngineer]

Hokie there is content on those new channels? That must be how you're getting a rez on them right? are they uniqure or mirrors of exisitng channels? if so what do they mirror

No new content, but I'm not sure which channel mirrors what. The only one I can deduce is the 1920x1080 mirror must be of galleryhd! My 61.5 dish is blown sideways cuz of the wind so I'll do the stuff at 61.5 when I get that back working. (Probably after this VT game on ABC hehehe)

 

[vinnyv07]

I hope its just testing. I just went with Dish for their HD because I couldn't take what Directv was doing to their HD CH's. I love Monsters HD but we really need full rez on all HD ch's. If I need to pay a little more for it I WILL!!!!

 

[Gary Murrell]

I would pay 20$ a month for all 21 Voom in true 1920x1080i at 2 per transpnder, Dish has the room don't they??

61.5 and 129 Voom are both identical

The only channels that have been effected in this change are the 4 true 1920x1080i hd channels of Monsters/Ultra/Animania/Equator

the other 6 were the same they have been for 5/6 months(1280x1080i) in other words since the day they have been lite up

one of those 6 1280x1080i GalleryHD, is now 1920x1080i at around 14 Mbps

I have seen nothing chage today so far, if they are testing it hasn't been today

Last night they were up testing/tweaking until I went to sleep at 6 AM

Sean do put the word out for us, we pay for and enjoy HDTV and are not the average joes who don't care

I will report as soon as anything changes(if it does)

-Gary

 

[GeorgeLV]

I just watched fail-safe again.

Favorite movie.

It looks horrible at this resolution. Very grainy

Looked fine 2 days ago!

This is on GuyHD

You do know GuyTV was always 1280x1080i since Voom has been on Dish, right?

 

[Gary Murrell]

Guytv was/is uneffected, it has always been the way it is at this very moment

-Gary

 

[dfergie]

Looked like crap this evening, maybe its mental...

 

[Gary Murrell]

Guytv and Majestic bitrates are absolutely laughable, they are DVD bitrate at this moment

-Gary

 

[Stargazer]

Would this be called ED (Enhanced Definition) or is that between SD and HD lower than the HD-Lite resolution? So all of DirecTv's HD channels even in their local markets are 1280x1080i? Perhaps Dish Network realized that they had to go the HD-Lite/ED route in order to compete with DirecTv to get more channels up and going. They probably figure that if they can get away with this along with the turbo and MPEG-4 they could maximize the compression for more space. They know that they can always improve the resolution in the future. I do not see this any different than them compressing the current SD channels we see today which reduces the picture quality.

 

[BrettTRay]

I'll drop the HD pack and voom if they start doing this with there HD channels. At least I will get to see the locals in TRUE HD, the way they were meant to be seen.

 

[GeorgeLV]

Would this be called ED (Enhanced Definition) or is that between SD and HD lower than the HD-Lite resolution? So all of DirecTv's HD channels even in their local markets are 1280x1080i? Perhaps Dish Network realized that they had to go the HD-Lite/ED route in order to compete with DirecTv to get more channels up and going. They probably figure that if they can get away with this along with the turbo and MPEG-4 they could maximize the compression for more space. They know that they can always improve the resolution in the future. I do not see this any different than them compressing the current SD channels we see today which reduces the picture quality.

No. ED is generally considered 480p. 1280x1080i is still HD. AFAIK, it is not public information what resolution/bitrate DirecTV is tranmitting their MPEG4 HD locals at.

 

[Drone35]

I've looked at all the Voom and HD Net channels and the Voom still look pretty good to me here in TX. Maybe its not going to be as bad as we thought, may be more of a mental thing, just a thought! If no one had told us about this maybe we might not even noticed!

 

[Gary Murrell]

I noticed and that is what made me go and check the stats, HD-Lite is spottable in 2 seconds when one is used to true HD

-Gary

 

[BrettTRay]

yea, Equator looks terrible. Too grainy

 

[BrianMis]

I looked at Equator on my 26" HDTV in my bedroom last night after reading this thread, didn't notice any real change it still looked great. Then I went into the living room and turned on the 61" HDTV and noticed a huge difference. That's when I wrote to E*.