USALS Motors: The Device from Hell

cyberham

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USALS motors: Most have "enjoyed" these devices at one time or another.

My current headache is caused by a Pansat PM900 motor. I got this motor free used. I have no idea of its history. It looks in reasonably good physical condition with no rust. It moves according to USALS commands sent to it. It just doesn't do so reliably. In fact, it mostly moves to one extreme or the other extreme. Once it starts heading to an extreme end, there's nothing one can do to stop or divert it. Once in a while, it goes to the satellite you tell it to go to.

I am using only USALS commands to keep things simple. I find using diseqc commands to move the motor to a stored satellite location is another level of difficulty.

Measured voltage at the motor with no load is 18.8 volts on a horizontal command. Very reasonable for the long 100+ foot RG6 I'm using. I am using a similar cable on an SG2100 motor without a problem.

I thought maybe my latitude/longitude was entered wrong or the data had been corrupted. So I've reentered the data without a change in operation. I even tried entering "South" instead of "North" for the latitude in case there was a programming error in the software just in case. That didn't help.

I thought maybe the 1.2m dish was too much of a burden. So I swapped for a 41" metal dish. I even replaced the Invacom LNB with a lighter LNB. No change. I can't find much info online. If they were popular, it was likely before the Internet was invented.

Pressing the physical switches on the motor does cause the motor to move west or east depending which switch you press. So physically it seems fine. The motor just seems to get mixed up about what to do when you send it commands. I don't see a way to reset the motor as you can with the SG2100. I have the original printed manual for the PM900, which is actually quite good in the old style of instruction manuals, but it isn't helping.

I've used both a GT Media V7S5X and an Edision Mio+ receiver. No difference in operation of the motor.

Any ideas?
 
I'd be happy with 50 degrees of movement. From 129W to 87W only needs 51 degrees on the motor. I have the original paper manual but I don't see mention of a reset procedure. I may dig out my Openbox S9 (built like a tank) just to see if it will operate the motor differently. Maybe the motor needs a lot of current when it operates.
 
I have never used a Pansat motor. I do have our Stab HH100 though. It has been running great for over a decade now. Only issue I have had was when I had damaged coax twice (animals :rolleyes: ). I hope you can get it sorted out. :)
 
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I'd be happy with 50 degrees of movement. From 129W to 87W only needs 51 degrees on the motor. I have the original paper manual but I don't see mention of a reset procedure. I may dig out my Openbox S9 (built like a tank) just to see if it will operate the motor differently. Maybe the motor needs a lot of current when it operates.
The DiSEqC Bus Functional Specification - version 4.2 from February 1998 - shows a bus current rating of 500 mA, even when stalled.

That you can drive the motor, even to incorrect positions, suggests that the motor and the gearing is in working condition. That it misses the set points and that the position buttons are non-functional suggests that the motor's position encoder and/or the microcontroller's input lines may have issues.

If it were me and my cost base was zero, I would be looking to crack open the enclosure to take a look for corroded contacts, etc.

Your mileage may vary. Use if useful.
 

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That maximum current isn't so high. I can't get away from the feeling that even reducing the weight as I have, the motors lack of torque could be the problem. It seems wimpy for lack of a better technical term. It moves slow and seems to have no get-up-and-go.

The physical buttons on the motor (position buttons?) do work. They move the dish left and right as they should. I likely will open it up, not that I can likely fix it, but it's probably interesting to see its insides.

I have an SG2100 in the wings the seller is offering for CDN$10 so I may get it. I already have a good working SG2100 pushing my main dish so this is all just to make use of my spare dish.
 
Any ideas?

It might be, that the USALS/diseqc command is received in a distorted manner.
Did you try the motor with a short cable?

Otherwise, checking the inside of the motor (if possible) would also be my way.

If the GotoNn commands do work OK, that would be a possibility also?
Use USALS (when it has a moment of correct working) to find a satellite, and then Store it under a position number...?

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