any chance for a new dual tuner ota dongle?

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  1. Niv

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    I've got a faulty AirTV module. It wouldn't connect to the channel even though it was showing a strong signal. I went back to the Dish module that I had replaced with the AirTV and that problem went away. Just today I was going to contact AirTV about getting a replacement, it had worked great for about 3 months, but you can only call in, no email address available. I didn't have time to hang around on the phone. I'll do that on Monday. Not sure what their reaction will be to using it with a H3, I'll let you guys know. Depending on the module you are using . . . I know that tuner sensitivity varies greatly. I spent a lot of time and effort to get my signal strength up to tell Dish what they could do with their local channels. Some tuners the signal was fine, other not so. VIZIO tuners suck. I was finally able to get adequate signal to all tuners in a difficult terrestrial situation. Attached is a picture of what it took. I had to split the VHF and UHF because the
    the mountains somehow changed the path of the UHF signal (Sock Fairy) so to get both with one antenna you compromised both signals. You can't tell in the picture but there is a 1 to 2 degree difference. VHF is pointed directly at the transmitters, UHF is offset.



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    That's a nice antenna rig you have there.
     
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    This new OTA USB module sounds perfect, but what good is it , if its missing half the guide data? You really need guide data to know what is on and when so you can also record things.
    Checking my Omaha DMA many channels are missing and there are some really good channels on them, in the Dot 3 and Dot 4 sub channels (All free).
    Anyone know if Dish is adding any more OTA guide data or did they run out of DB space. I see Directv just now started adding guide data slowly DMA by DMA and they fixed their out of Data Base DB issue.
    Here is what I get for guide data in Omaha, Linconl NE is also missing some guide data.

    Plus with full guide data may what to save $12 and just get locals from the USB OTA tuner, kind of hybrid cord cutting if you will.

    Omaha, NE
    OTA Program Guide Data:
    3-01 KMTV TSID 0x07AB, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 5201/9141)
    3-02 KMTV2 TSID 0x07AB, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 14862)
    6-01 WOWT TSID 0x07AD, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 5202/9142)
    6-02 WOWT2 TSID 0x07AD, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 14810)
    7-01 KETV TSID 0x07AF, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 5200/9140)
    7-02 KETV2 TSID 0x07AF, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 15068)
    15-02 KXVO2 TSID 0x07B1, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 15236)
    26-01 KYNE TSID 0x07B3, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 5205)
    26-02 KYNE2 TSID 0x07B3, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 14356)
    26-03 KYNE3 TSID 0x07B3, Subchannel 03 (DISH Channel 14357)
    32-01 KBIN TSID 0x0389, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 5204/9146)
    32-03 KBIN3 TSID 0x0389, Subchannel 03 (DISH Channel 15351)
    42-02 KPTM2 TSID 0x07B5, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 15069)

    SOURCE:
    Local Channels on DISH Network (Unofficial Listing)
     
  4. Bruce Allen Dew

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    Didn't catch that he first time but you said cell phone could be getting interference right; well that's not possible since I don't use a cell phone at home. It's never on or used unless on the road, never leaves truck; don't like them. So guess should have bought the dish ota dongle and not wasted money on the airtv dongle.
     
  5. rvvaquero

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    I guess I just have a different outlook on this issue. With DISH satellite locals, I got six channels ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, CW and PBS for $12. Or..........I can save the $12 and get OTA channels ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, and six other sub channels (a couple of which don't have guide data). Sure, it would be great if all the channels had guide data for them, but still for me it's a no-brainer.
     
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    Don't know what that means?
     
  7. crodrules

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    For what it's worth, I am not sure how outdated that listing is. For example, in my market (Cleveland, Ohio) it still shows the "LOCAL" slate channel that Dish had put on channel 61 as being Available (although the "A" is color-coded as red, so it probably should have been changed to an "X") but I am no longer seeing a satellite-delivered channel 61. Meanwhile, I do have guide data for the OTA channel 61, but the list in the link does not show that Dish is providing that. Also, based on the few nearby markets that I checked, does anyone know what is up with Dish not providing OTA guide data for stations that are owned or operated by Sinclair?
     
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    Are you able to pick up any Tucson stations with that setup?

    I've found the tuner in my Vizio TVs to have better sensitivity than the ViP receivers.
     
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    In Columbus Ohio Dish has Guide data for WSYX 006-00 (ABC) and WTTE 028-00 (FOX) and both stations are owned by Sinclair. Dish also has Guide data for the OTA channels 006-01 WSYX (ABC), 006-02 (MyTV), and 028-01 WTTE (FOX). It does not have data for 006-03 (Antenna TV), 028-02 (TBD-TV), and 028-03 (Stadium TV). All are owned by Sinclair.


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  10. Niv

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    If I rotate the antenna around I can get Tucson. In fact it's probably easier since it's a straight shot, no mountains. I'm on the wrong side of South mountain where the Phoenix transmitter farm is. I have 3 VIZO TVs all had problems picking up VHF 12 before I split the antennas. LG, Hdhomerun tuners had no trouble with it. Dish module was flakey but could pick it up. Complete no show on VIZO.

    LTE signals are there even if you don't have a cell phone. They are coming off the cell tower not your phone. Your phone is receiving the signal just like your OTA is receiving the signals. Good for your phone, bad for your OTA :)
     

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    Thanks. That is what I thought. However, the listing for which ScottChez provided the link does not show that. Here is what it shows for Columbus:

    Columbus, OH
    4-00 WCMH COLUMBUS, OH (NBC) - 7202 SD 129° 4s25 A () 5192 HD 129° 2s25 A (nbc)
    6-00 WSYX COLUMBUS, OH (ABC) - 7200 SD 129° 4s25 A () 5190 HD 129° 2s25 A (abc)
    10-00 WBNS COLUMBUS, OH (CBS) - 7201 SD 129° 4s25 A () 5191 HD 129° 2s25 A (cbs)
    20-00 WOUB ATHENS, OH (PBS) - 7208 SD 129° 4s25 A () 5196 HD 129° 2s25 A ()
    28-00 WTTE COLUMBUS, OH (FOX) - 7203 SD 129° 4s25 A () 5193 HD 129° 2s25 A (fox)
    34-00 WOSU COLUMBUS, OH (PBS) - 7206 SD 129° 4s25 A () 5195 HD 129° 2s25 A ()
    51-00 WSFJ NEWARK, OH (TBN) - 7207 SD 129° 4s25 A
    53-00 WWHO CHILLICOTHE, OH (CW) - 7205 SD 129° 4s25 A 5194 HD 129° 2s25 A
    OTA Program Guide Data:
    4-01 WCMH TSID 0x08D7, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 7202)
    4-02 WCMH2 TSID 0x08D7, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 14672)
    6-02 WSYX2 TSID 0x08D9, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 14497)
    10-01 WBNS TSID 0x08DB, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 5191/5271/6511)
    10-02 WBNS2 TSID 0x08DB, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 14498)
    20-01 WOUB TSID 0x08B7, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 5196/7208)
    20-02 WOUB2 TSID 0x08B7, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 14524)
    20-03 WOUB3 TSID 0x08B7, Subchannel 03 (DISH Channel 14994)
    34-01 WOSU TSID 0x08DF, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 5195/7206)
    34-02 WOSU2 TSID 0x08DF, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 15004)
    34-03 WOSU3 TSID 0x08DF, Subchannel 03 (DISH Channel 14502)
    51-01 WSFJ TSID 0x08F3, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 7207)

    So, like I said, that list is either a little outdated, or it is just plain not accurate.
     
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    It is not accurate for Washington, DC. It makes no mention of the channels we get faulty guide data for (the -01 of any channel engaged in Channel sharing) and we get data fora few additioanl stations like Channel 44 (sharing with WRC)
     
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    Here is another oddity with the list for Clarksburg, WV:

    Clarksburg, WV
    3-00 WVFX2 CLARKSBURG, WV (FOX) - 7916 SD 129° 9s31 A 7916 SD 61.5° 27s30 A
    5-00 WDTV WESTON, WV (CBS) - 7911 SD 129° 9s31 A (cbs) 5161 HD 61.5° 27s30 A (cbs)
    10-00 WVFX CLARKSBURG, WV (FOX) - 7913 SD 129° 9s31 A (fox) 5163 HD 61.5° 27s30 A (fox)
    12-00 WBOY CLARKSBURG, WV (NBC) - 7912 SD 129° 9s31 A (nbc) 5162 HD 61.5° 27s30 A (nbc)
    24-00 WNPB MORGANTOWN, WV (PBS) - 7915 SD 129° 9s31 A () 5164 HD 61.5° 27s30 A ()
    52-00 WBOYD CLARKSBURG, WV (ABC) - 7910 SD 129° 9s31 A (abc) 5165 HD 61.5° 27s30 A (abc)
    OTA Program Guide Data:
    5-01 WDTV TSID 0x0CD5, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 7911)
    10-01 WVFX TSID 0x0CC1, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 7913)
    10-02 WVFX2 TSID 0x0CC1, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 7916)
    10-02 WVFX2 TSID 0x0CC1, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 15003)

    12-01 WBOY TSID 0x0CBF, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 7912)
    12-02 WBOYD TSID 0x0CBF, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 7910)
    24-01 WNPB TSID 0x0CCF, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 7915)
    24-02 WNPB2 TSID 0x0CCF, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 15310)
    24-03 WNPB3 TSID 0x0CCF, Subchannel 03 (DISH Channel 14198)

    Note that there are two separate guide data streams for WVFX2 (010-02): one linked to the guide for the satellite-delivered version of that channel, and another separate stream being mapped down from channel 15003. This may in fact be accurate. However, if this is the case, I wonder why Dish is doing this, and how the receiver determines which guide data stream to map to channel 010-02 in the guide?
     
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    Received my AirTV OTA dual adapter today. Strange thing is. It shipped from Dish network in Colorado, but it also came with a Directv remote. I'm really confused?
     

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    Now THAT is funny.
     
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    My guess would be that someone returned a Directv remote to Dish when they cancelled Dish service. Dish had no use for the Directv remote, so they used it as packing material to fill the empty space in the box. :biggrin
     
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    Gives a new meaning to the term "recycling" :)
     
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    Here's another thought: perhaps this was Dish's subtle way of saying, "If you have any complaints about our product, please feel free to call our customer service number, 1-800-DIRECTV, with all of your complaints." :biggrin
     
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    Totally makes sense! I think you’re right. It did take up all the extra space in the box.
     
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    Mixed message huh?
     
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