DISH Energizes Hopper Platform at CES!

Scherrman

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You're using logic to determine the price... Doesn't mean that Dish will !

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All we know for sure is that the Super Joey will be a savings from having a second Hopper. So we know it will be less than $12 a month.
 

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I use the cost of a super Joey from the perspective of whether to get a 211 (add an external hd) to support a 2nd TV or upgrade to a hopper and super Joey.
A 722 w/ 211 is 2 TVs and 3 tuners. A hopper super Joey is 2 TVs and 5 tuners. It is also ~$5 more a month, maybe more. But I still can only watch 2 TVs. Of course that is my logic, as noted.
 

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I use the cost of a super Joey from the perspective of whether to get a 211 (add an external hd) to support a 2nd TV or upgrade to a hopper and super Joey.
A 722 w/ 211 is 2 TVs and 3 tuners. A hopper super Joey is 2 TVs and 5 tuners. It is also ~$5 more a month, maybe more. But I still can only watch 2 TVs. Of course that is my logic, as noted.

The extra tuners are all about being able to record more at the same time. For live TV it really doesn't matter all that much. Well unless you are a big fan of PIP!
 

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I use the cost of a super Joey from the perspective of whether to get a 211 (add an external hd) to support a 2nd TV or upgrade to a hopper and super Joey.
A 722 w/ 211 is 2 TVs and 3 tuners. A hopper super Joey is 2 TVs and 5 tuners. It is also ~$5 more a month, maybe more. But I still can only watch 2 TVs. Of course that is my logic, as noted.

You are looking at it from a very basic view. The Hopper system adds soooo much more. Not only are you getting more tuners but you have access to all your recording on all your TVs. You only have to set one timer instead of a timer on each receiver. You have bonus features like Sling and the Transfer app. Can't forget about PTAT and AutoHop. Those are just a few of the features the Hopper has and Dish just keeps adding more.
 

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Watching the video ... if you have a 1 Hopper 1 Joey setup ... to upgrade to a SJ ... the easiest install would be to run the 3rd line from the dish to your node ... swap the solo out with a duo node ... swap the Joey out with the SJ ... and your done.

My question is with regards to the HWS. When slinging you use one tuner. If all of the HWS tuners are being used ... can the HWS route you to an unused SJ tuner?
I doubt there will be any need for a duo node on upgrades, no need for the expense. A small and relatively cheap diplexor type device with "to node," "to dish," and "to joey" ports. Connect as labeled.

For new installs, they might standardize one a duo node, but my guess is the band stacking electronics, weight & size of a duo would add up to be more expensive than the diplexor.
 

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I doubt there will be any need for a duo node on upgrades, no need for the expense. A small and relatively cheap diplexor type device with "to node," "to dish," and "to joey" ports. Connect as labeled.

For new installs, they might standardize one a duo node, but my guess is the band stacking electronics, weight & size of a duo would add up to be more expensive than the diplexor.

That's what I'm thinking and hearing as well.
 

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You are looking at it from a very basic view. The Hopper system adds soooo much more. Not only are you getting more tuners but you have access to all your recording on all your TVs. You only have to set one timer instead of a timer on each receiver. You have bonus features like Sling and the Transfer app. Can't forget about PTAT and AutoHop. Those are just a few of the features the Hopper has and Dish just keeps adding more.

It is a simple view, but it is my current rational for staying with my 722. I have a sling and because I whole house distribute the signal I do have a simple whole house DVR. I don't have a 211 yet, but I consider it's cost vs going to a hopper and sling.
 

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Sadly, I expect the high monthly fees will make these Joey announcements of little use for our household. I imagine virtual joey will be the same $7 per month so there would be little reason for me to trade down.
 

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Watching the video ... if you have a 1 Hopper 1 Joey setup ... to upgrade to a SJ ... the easiest install would be to run the 3rd line from the dish to your node ... swap the solo out with a duo node ... swap the Joey out with the SJ ... and your done.

lolz easiest install huh, well its not always that easy to install when you have 2 perfectly good lines say under 50 feet of dirt or perhaps on a tall roof that took a ton of time to wire up already just say a year or so ago. Dish just did NOT think this thru if they keep this requirement. Sure I like new hardware as much as the next guy but they have to think of the back end and help the customers out to avoid over cabling the home. Can't say its easy when you try to explain to someone that the current wiring in a house isn't enough when it very well could be.
 

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lolz easiest install huh, well its not always that easy to install when you have 2 perfectly good lines say under 50 feet of dirt or perhaps on a tall roof that took a ton of time to wire up already just say a year or so ago. Dish just did NOT think this thru if they keep this requirement. Sure I like new hardware as much as the next guy but they have to think of the back end and help the customers out to avoid over cabling the home. Can't say its easy when you try to explain to someone that the current wiring in a house isn't enough when it very well could be.

The house I just purchased has 4 lines running from the dish to a central coax box. I can't take the credit ... but someone was thinking ahead ;) Hence for me ... it is just a matter of throwing a connector on the 3rd line to the dish.
 

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lolz easiest install huh, well its not always that easy to install when you have 2 perfectly good lines say under 50 feet of dirt or perhaps on a tall roof that took a ton of time to wire up already just say a year or so ago. Dish just did NOT think this thru if they keep this requirement. Sure I like new hardware as much as the next guy but they have to think of the back end and help the customers out to avoid over cabling the home. Can't say its easy when you try to explain to someone that the current wiring in a house isn't enough when it very well could be.

Use a stacker/destacker.
 

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The house I just purchased has 4 lines running from the dish to a central coax box. I can't take the credit ... but someone was thinking ahead ;) Hence for me ... it is just a matter of throwing a connector on the 3rd line to the dish.
You were fortunate. Neither Directv nor Dish run more lines than necessary for a particular job. To do so would be considered waste.
 
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It *is* waste. No one knows what might be needed in the future, if that homeowner will upgrade, or even remain a Dish customer.

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Neither Directv nor Dish run more lines than necessary for a particular job. To do so would be considered waste.

The chap who came out to upgrade my dual-arc Dish insisted on replacing cables. I have 3 dual-tuner receivers. Guess which cable they had in their truck? Big ugly black dual with ground wire, and that's it! He intended to do the job using 4 cables (and two ground wires) until I handed him 3 separate nice grey cables with factory molded 4-connectors on the end. He promptly cut off those sealed factory ends and crimped on new ones, making them a tad too short for the job.
 
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The chap who came out to upgrade my dual-arc Dish insisted on replacing cables. I have 3 dual-tuner receivers. Guess which cable they had in their truck? Big ugly black dual with ground wire, and that's it! He intended to do the job using 4 cables (and two ground wires) until I handed him 3 separate nice grey cables with factory molded 4-connectors on the end. He promptly cut off those sealed factory ends and crimped on new ones, making them a tad too short for the job.


Well, it's crazy actually. They'll tell you to replace perfectly good cable because it's against company specs to use it, but then tell you only to use as much cable as needed so you don't waste money.
Which is about the time you asked to be excused so you can go bang your head against a wall.
 

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As a retailer, yes, we can do about whatever we want but risk a call back.

Retailers around here get spot checked and better do everything just like DNS or it's a charge back.

About 2 years ago they checked a bunch of our installations. The only one we got dinged on was because one of the 3 receivers we installed there we used an existing 10ft piece of coax inside a wall that wasn't on the approved wire list.
 

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