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There is a nice write-up from Inverse on Bruce Horak’s role of Hemmer. Maybe not the last time we’ll see him in Star Trek?

ST has a long history of the same actors playing multiple non-human characters. He might show back up in this, or any of the other, shows as a whatever-ian in a different plastic head.
 
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Enjoyed the episode despite it being lifted from Alien, Aliens and Predator in so many ways that it's almost in copyright infringement territory... Hemmer's leaving was unfortunate as I enjoyed his character (especially in the fantasy episode), but it was done with a degree of class rather than just *poof* he's dead. La'an's leaving was just a write-out and done too quickly. "I gotta go find whatever, so here's my resignation, don't fight me on it" and exit stage left. I agree, plenty of "strong female" roles still in the show, but her accent was something I enjoyed. And she can return at some point in the future, if they want to work it that way. I am hoping they don't bring Scotty in this soon, but I suppose they have to establish the character at some point and they've now eliminated Hemmer, so that's likely the next new character we'll see.

My main complaint (gripe?) with this episode is that here we are, in a prequel to TOS, probably 8 years or so prior to James Kirk being the captain of the Enterprise (with two main TOS characters already established in this series) and they know more about the Gorn now than they do in the TOS episode "Arena". And this from two encounters with the Gorn in the first season of SNW!

Granted, they're a formidable enemy, and it makes for entertaining television, but when Pike, Spock, Uhura and M'Benga already know more about them now, then what, did they forget everything (anything?) they learned prior to "Arena"? That's my biggest problem with sequel series'. The writers want to entertain and yet they forget (or just don't care) that if they establish too much more about something (like the Gorn) that seems to have been forgotten in the original series, it just doesn't work or make sense...
 
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Enjoyed the episode despite it being lifted from Alien, Aliens and Predator in so many ways that it's almost in copyright infringement territory... Hemmer's leaving was unfortunate as I enjoyed his character (especially in the fantasy episode), but it was done with a degree of class rather than just *poof* he's dead. La'an's leaving was just a write-out and done too quickly. "I gotta go find whatever, so here's my resignation, don't fight me on it" and exit stage left. I agree, plenty of "strong female" roles still in the show, but her accent was something I enjoyed. And she can return at some point in the future, if they want to work it that way. I am hoping they don't bring Scotty in this soon, but I suppose they have to establish the character at some point and they've now eliminated Hemmer, so that's likely the next new character we'll see.

My main complaint (gripe?) with this episode is that here we are, in a prequel to TOS, probably 8 years or so prior to James Kirk being the captain of the Enterprise (with two main TOS characters already established in this series) and they know more about the Gorn now than they do in the TOS episode "Arena". And this from two encounters with the Gorn in the first season of SNW!

Granted, they're a formidable enemy, and it makes for entertaining television, but when Pike, Spock, Uhura and M'Benga already know more about them now, then what, did they forget everything (anything?) they learned prior to "Arena"? That's my biggest problem with sequel series'. The writers want to entertain and yet they forget (or just don't care) that if they establish too much more about something (like the Gorn) that seems to have been forgotten in the original series, it just doesn't work or make sense...
I'll let Kirk speak for himself as to your questions:
View: https://youtu.be/WUL7q8eyig8
 
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I'll let Kirk speak for himself as to your questions:
Get a life? I'm with long-time-DNC on this. Is it too much trouble for the continuity team to do their jobs?

On the subject of Hemmer... Were Andorians ever shown in TOS? If so, I'm blanking on them.
 
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Get a life? I'm with long-time-DNC on this. Is it too much trouble for the continuity team to do their jobs?

On the subject of Hemmer... Were Andorians ever shown in TOS? If so, I'm blanking on them.
Yep, Journey to Babel, Sarek first appearance.

They were never in ST:TNG.

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The retro-conning of the Gorn is complex.

The original series' story was, like quite a bit of ST:TOS, from a pre-existing sci-fi story, this one published in the 40s. (One of Roddenberry's selling points for the show was that there was so much pulp sci-fi out there that they could just buy for little of nothing, plug the ST characters into what ever role was needed and save on writers.* ) The story is an allegory about race. The reptile is to the human an inferior and disgusting creature, but they have to learn that the Gorn are just an equal life for that took a different evolutional path and which must be respected as equals.

In the retro-con, the Gorn are more simplistic. Evil creatures that kill others as part of their reproductive cycle and which, at least in their new-born state, are more monsters than people with which you can eventually have an understanding. Kind of a step back, which, is refreshing in this woke era.

* The fact that much of TOS used pre-existing sci-fi stories is how the character Spock became such a complex and contradictory figure. You have a story that need a super-strength alien? Spock. You need the aliens to be space hippies? Spock. Telepathic? Spock. Peacenicks? Spock. Male heat? Spock. Live hundreds of years? Spock. Have this oddly east Asian-ish culture? Spock. Have a transferable "soul"? Spock You end up with a character that no one would have ever proposed in an ordinary series "bible".
 
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I’m such a nerd. I thanked Bruce Horneck for bringing hemmer to life for us on his instagram and like a twelve year old got excited when he clicked like on it.

not quite at the same level as when Edward James Olmos tweeted a reply to me saying so say we all, but still fun.
 
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Get a life? I'm with long-time-DNC on this. Is it too much trouble for the continuity team to do their jobs?

On the subject of Hemmer... Were Andorians ever shown in TOS? If so, I'm blanking on them.
Exactly. Is it really that much trouble for the writers and continuity folks to do some research? Maybe even watch "Arena" just once, or (egads!) read the original episode script?

Yep, must be a terrible job to be a show-runner who doesn't appear to do homework either...
 
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Get a life? I'm with long-time-DNC on this. Is it too much trouble for the continuity team to do their jobs?

On the subject of Hemmer... Were Andorians ever shown in TOS? If so, I'm blanking on them.
No, the part where he says it's just a show. So all those questions you (and others) come up with are answered by "whatever the script called for that time". They don't always have to be 100% perfect.

Just enjoy it for what it is. Analyzing it to death = "that way madness lies..."
 
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I’m such a nerd. I thanked Bruce Horneck for bringing hemmer to life for us on his instagram and like a twelve year old got excited when he clicked like on it.

not quite at the same level as when Edward James Olmos tweeted a reply to me saying so say we all, but still fun.
I’ve related this on the Forum before, but when Gene Roddenberry have a talk about Star Trek at IUSB in the mid-1970s, I was covering the event for my high school newspaper. I got to ask the question that had always bugged me as a space nerd: why does the USS Enterprise need the engines running in order to stay in orbit around a planet?

The answer was close to Shatner’s, it made for better television drama.

If you’re looking for scientific accuracy and consistency, maybe Star Trek isn’t your show.
 
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I’ve related this on the Forum before, but when Gene Roddenberry have a talk about Star Trek at IUSB in the mid-1970s, I was covering the event for my high school newspaper. I got to ask the question that had always bugged me as a space nerd: why does the USS Enterprise need the engines running in order to stay in orbit around a planet?

The answer was close to Shatner’s, it made for better television drama.

If you’re looking for scientific accuracy and consistency, maybe Star Trek isn’t your show.
See, still more picking apartl! Just be thankful we are closer to TOS than we have been since TOS.:baby
 
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why does the USS Enterprise need the engines running in order to stay in orbit around a planet?
Huh. I missed that one.

I did notice Kirk ordering the Enterprise to orbit right over a spot on a planet's northern latitudes, which would of course require continuous thrusting to accomplish. And then it wouldn't be "orbiting".
See, still more picking apartl!
Killjoy. Or would you accuse our analysis of killing your joy? :( I personally like to think about things, and there should be a lot of science in science fiction. I certainly remember how, had I been able to review the scripts, I could have fixed most blunders with as few as one word change of dialog. Kirk saying how much the Enterprise could amplify sound (1 to the <forget the power>) comes to mind.
 
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Enjoyed the episode despite it being lifted from Alien, Aliens and Predator in so many ways that it's almost in copyright infringement territory... Hemmer's leaving was unfortunate as I enjoyed his character (especially in the fantasy episode), but it was done with a degree of class rather than just *poof* he's dead. La'an's leaving was just a write-out and done too quickly. "I gotta go find whatever, so here's my resignation, don't fight me on it" and exit stage left. I agree, plenty of "strong female" roles still in the show, but her accent was something I enjoyed. And she can return at some point in the future, if they want to work it that way. I am hoping they don't bring Scotty in this soon, but I suppose they have to establish the character at some point and they've now eliminated Hemmer, so that's likely the next new character we'll see.

My main complaint (gripe?) with this episode is that here we are, in a prequel to TOS, probably 8 years or so prior to James Kirk being the captain of the Enterprise (with two main TOS characters already established in this series) and they know more about the Gorn now than they do in the TOS episode "Arena". And this from two encounters with the Gorn in the first season of SNW!

Granted, they're a formidable enemy, and it makes for entertaining television, but when Pike, Spock, Uhura and M'Benga already know more about them now, then what, did they forget everything (anything?) they learned prior to "Arena"? That's my biggest problem with sequel series'. The writers want to entertain and yet they forget (or just don't care) that if they establish too much more about something (like the Gorn) that seems to have been forgotten in the original series, it just doesn't work or make sense...
I just wonder if they plan a total reboot of the original series of Star trek, like they did in the Reboot movies that happen in another time line? It has been a while since the original came out. That way when the Capt. Pike ends his journeys and hands the ship over to Kirk , the Reboot of the original begins in another series for Paramount. Then any characters from Strange New Worlds can move to the new show. Like Uhura , Spock , Chapel and of course the new Kirk they will be bringing to the screen sooner or later.
 
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I just wonder if they plan a total reboot of the original series of Star trek, like they did in the Reboot movies that happen in another time line? It has been a while since the original came out. That way when the Capt. Pike ends his journeys and hands the ship over to Kirk , the Reboot of the original begins in another series for Paramount. Then any characters from Strange New Worlds can move to the new show. Like Uhura , Spock , Chapel and of course the new Kirk they will be bringing to the screen sooner or later.
You can likely bet on that.
 
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I just wonder if they plan a total reboot of the original series of Star trek, like they did in the Reboot movies that happen in another time line? It has been a while since the original came out. That way when the Capt. Pike ends his journeys and hands the ship over to Kirk , the Reboot of the original begins in another series for Paramount. Then any characters from Strange New Worlds can move to the new show. Like Uhura , Spock , Chapel and of course the new Kirk they will be bringing to the screen sooner or later.
I was thinking the same thing after about the 3rd episode, just never posted it. It's been 6 years since they've done a Trek movie and I've read that one is now in the planning stages and may be released sometime in 2023. Nevertheless, I too could see a reboot of TOS happening with some members of this cast moving into it as this series wraps up. Also would likely depend on how well more Trek movies do...

Just curious, what has the viewership of SNW been? Anyone have numbers?
 
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I just wonder if they plan a total reboot of the original series of Star trek, like they did in the Reboot movies that happen in another time line?
God spare us from alternate realities! Blech.
 
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I was thinking the same thing after about the 3rd episode, just never posted it. It's been 6 years since they've done a Trek movie and I've read that one is now in the planning stages and may be released sometime in 2023. Nevertheless, I too could see a reboot of TOS happening with some members of this cast moving into it as this series wraps up. Also would likely depend on how well more Trek movies do...

Just curious, what has the viewership of SNW been? Anyone have numbers?
I saw that they have 100% on Rotten apples. Also another story dated May 18th said there was a 92% increase in demand for the week ending Friday ,and became the top new series in the U. S. with 35.1 times the average series demand. Another story dated June 9th said that the show is one of the top 9 most in demand streaming shows in the USA. I think it's safe to assume that the show is doing well.
 
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I saw that they have 100% on Rotten apples. Also another story dated May 18th said there was a 92% increase in demand for the week ending Friday ,and became the top new series in the U. S. with 35.1 times the average series demand. Another story dated June 9th said that the show is one of the top 9 most in demand streaming shows in the USA. I think it's safe to assume that the show is doing well.
That's good to hear! Thanks for the info!
 
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