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The Electronics Freedom Foundation (EFF) is sticking up for us legit FTA customers and has blocked a request by Echostar for the records of everyone who ever purchased a Coolsat receiver.

I am a proud member of the EFF and THANK THEM on behalf of all SatelliteGuys members who aim to watch LEGAL television!

Court Protects Privacy of Satellite Receiver Owners



Legal Analysis by Fred von Lohmann

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/09/court-protects-privacy-satellite-receiver-owners

Last month, EFF filed an amicus brief in Echostar v. Freetech, where Echostar sought the identities of every consumer who purchased a Freetech "CoolSat" free-to-air (FTA) satellite receiver during the past five years. EFF argued that this demand, issued in discovery in a lawsuit between Echostar and Freetech, represented an unwarranted intrusion into the privacy of individual consumers. Today, the court agreed, issuing an order blocking Echostar's subpoenas.

The ruling potentially sets an important precedent, as it represents the first time a federal court has explicitly rejected a third-party subpoena on the basis of the privacy interests of nonparty consumers.

Echostar is the company behind the DISH satellite TV service. Freetech makes receivers for unencrypted, free-to-air satellite transmissions (there are many free, unencrypted satellite channels). In December 2007, Echostar sued Freetech, alleging that the Freetech CoolSat receiver was specifically designed for after-market modification to enable unauthorized reception of DISH programming. According to Echostar, Freetech "sold thousands of these FTA Receivers to consumer pirates for the sole purpose of circumventing [Echostar]'s Security System."

In the course of discovery, Echostar sent subpoenas to the distributors of CoolSat receivers, demanding that they hand over their customer lists, including the name, address, email address, and purchase details for every person to have purchased a CoolSat receiver over the past 5 years.

As EFF explained in its amicus brief, these subpoenas represent a serious intrusion into the privacy of legitimate purchasers of these FTA receivers. Not only would it be an intrusion to be contacted by Echostar about a device you purchased months or years ago, but other satellite TV companies have used customer lists to launch mass litigation campaigns against consumers. After DirecTV obtained similar customer lists in litigation in 2001, it sent more than 170,000 letters to individuals demanding "settlements" of $3,500.
In refusing to allow Echostar to obtain the CoolSat customer lists, the court specifically weighed Echostar's need for the information against the privacy interests of the customers whose information would be disclosed. The court expressed concern that "both those who purchase the FTA receivers for proper and improper purposes will be swept up in the process." The court went on to conclude that "the requests for customer lists, therefore, could lead to the perceived harassment of legitimate users and a concomitant chilling effect on the purchase and lawful use of Freetech's FTA receivers."
Kudos to the court for keeping the privacy interests of nonparties in mind as commercial litigants dispatch third-party subpoenas that would otherwise carelessly intrude into the lives of individual consumers.

Related Issues: Anonymity, DMCA, Privacy

Related Cases: Echostar v. Freetech
 
The Electronics Freedom Foundation (EFF) is sticking up for us legit FTA customers and has blocked a request by Echostar for the records of everyone who ever purchased a Coolsat receiver.

I am a proud member of the EFF and THANK THEM on behalf of all SatelliteGuys members who aim to watch LEGAL television!

Dear Charlie,

:neener:neener:neener:neener

Sincerely,
The EFF
 
Hmm, first AT&T divorcing them for D*, then this.
Guess the only thing left now is if they end up loosing ALL of the Tivo suit & end up having to shut off DVR service to ALL receivers... (NOT just certain models) :D :D
 
Even though it helps the eye-patch gang also, this is fantastic news for us real, legal FTA users. :up

WTG EFF! :D
 
If Dish just secured their signal properly (like DirecTV did) there wouldn't be a reason to use FTA receivers except to watch FTA.

Yippie for the EFF!
 
Seems to me the law (courts) should shut down those FTA sites that promotes third party pirate softwares. Fine the hell out of those who promotes this, then let Echostar sue them.
There are great FTA sites (like this one) who promote the true free to air signals, the way the industry intended it to be. The law can investigate us and find we are true to our word.I am proud to be part of Satelliteguys!!!!
 
I wonder how many of those sites are actually breaking the law (are they specifically telling you to do so, or for "informational" purposes only?). And how many of them are based in the US (can't do much about international sites).

Good for the EFF. I didn't want to see Dish bully anyone into anything.
 
They should have spent the money on accelerating the current smart card swap out.

Bring the new cards on and change the encryption to only work on the new cards.
 
3 cheers for the EFF!

Visited their site for quite a while now, time to join up. It was a stupid thing for EchoTzar to try anyway. I wonder, is there some kind of tax break for frivolous lawsuits filed by big corporations ?
 
The Electronics Freedom Foundation (EFF) is sticking up for us legit FTA customers and has blocked a request by Echostar for the records of everyone who ever purchased a Coolsat receiver.

I am a proud member of the EFF and THANK THEM on behalf of all SatelliteGuys members who aim to watch LEGAL television!
If Dish is so interested in fighting piracy, why is it they cannot or will not secure their signals the same way directv has done?
 
I am so glad Echostar lost this battle. Now let's just focus on N3 and hope it's not cracked. But with the luck Echosphere has it will be.
 
Hmm, first AT&T divorcing them for D*, then this.
Guess the only thing left now is if they end up loosing ALL of the Tivo suit & end up having to shut off DVR service to ALL receivers... (NOT just certain models) :D :D
Well, if you believe in karma then you can add losing a half-billion dollars to VOOM next year too. E* won't turn things around until they ditch DishHD-Lite and stop yanking channels to save customers money.
 
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, EFF!!!! :up :hatsoff:
I for one have been a true fta'er for about 3 yrs now, and the cs6000 was the first fta receiver i ever bought and still has the factory software in it, and i use it all most everyday without any bit of trouble! I'm glad E* lost on this one!! So who is the "saint charles" going to try to go after next?? GET A CLUE CHARLIE AND FIX YOUR OWN FRICKIN PROBLEMS!!
 
...and has blocked a request by Echostar for the records of everyone who ever purchased a Coolsat receiver.
But didn't they allow DirecTV to do something similar with people who bought card "programmers" ? Or didn't D* simply seize the sale records of "stores" who sold these devices ?
 
But didn't they allow DirecTV to do something similar with people who bought card "programmers" ? Or didn't D* simply seize the sale records of "stores" who sold these devices ?
Yep....direct tv got away a similar tactic for a while. I think the courts are now getting smarter.
 
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I don't understand how Dish Network can be so schizophrenic... this is the same company that has put on private meet & greet events for SatelliteGuys at the national conference for two years in a row, so Charlie and company should be well acquainted with true, legal FTA users :confused:
 
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